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Post by 00hmh on Jul 5, 2020 8:27:43 GMT -6
Here is an angle BSU should consider in it's reopening.
Muncie gets a lot of positive economic impact from bringing back students. The University has plans to try to mitigate risk on campus. But off campus housing and off campus life are much more a danger to the community than to the student population in many ways. The community needs to be ready to greet the students with masks and social distancing.
I have no faith at all that the bar scene can be safe. But then that scene is often segregated into townie bars and college bars. Maybe that will help. Don't see many students at Timbers or other working class bars.
Restaurants are a problem, that may mean we see the town have to move back to 25% occupancy or maybe even just pick up only.
Students will have to wear masks on campus so they should have no excuse not to wear them out in the community shopping, but no excuse not to is not as good as mandatory masking. This is a group that may feel invulnerable yet be a major vector for transmission. The rest of Muncie should not have to hide from students if masking would make it relatively safe.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 22, 2020 14:45:23 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 22, 2020 14:47:46 GMT -6
Again he says its a misdemeanor then says no one is going to be out looking for someone to ticket. People are just not going to comply to it. You cant put it on the businesses to enforce a mandate |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 22, 2020 14:54:38 GMT -6
Again he says its a misdemeanor then says no one is going to be out looking for someone to ticket. People are just not going to comply to it. You cant put it on the businesses to enforce a mandate Good point. OTOH, if a business wants to object to a customer, they can call a cop a little easier now. Similar to noise ordinance or parking violations in your neighborhood. It is the best we can do. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 22, 2020 15:09:34 GMT -6
they could call the cops but do you think the cops are going to respond to that? Highly unlikely. Do you want to be the business that does call the cops and suddenly alienates half you clientel. Not to mention the social media backlash?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 22, 2020 15:22:15 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 22, 2020 15:29:16 GMT -6
they could call the cops but do you think the cops are going to respond to that? Highly unlikely. Do you want to be the business that does call the cops and suddenly alienates half you clientel. Not to mention the social media backlash? The business will welcome the added support for their policy. Without it they are in a tougher place.
Not close to half the clientele would object to a business doing that. The business has already made a decision to require masks. Most people will honor that if called on it. Or, they have the option to vote with their feet and not shop there if they feel that strongly. The problem is the vocal unruly person who refuses to honor a business decision by the store, creates a scene or even threatens store employees, and that is not that sympathetic a position even if for whatever reason you oppose masks. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 22, 2020 15:33:11 GMT -6
I think your underestimating the general public Id say half half is pretty close
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 22, 2020 15:58:43 GMT -6
I think your underestimating the general public Id say half half is pretty close Hell, nobody likes masks. Who likes speed limits? Not actively enforcing it but having the option to enforce it is a good tool. The other states with similar policy are MUCH better off than those with no policy. And better than Indiana right now. . They did not get full compliance but benefited.
My point is people will obey the law at least some of the time they would not otherwise do so. For a business, the issue is how many will hassle them about their mask policy. And how many will violate the law even if they disagree with it if asked to obey it.
It's good public education if nothing else. I do not think we will reach 95% compliance which would by itself flatten the curve, and my bet is we may need another lock down in the Fall, but this means Indiana will be better off. Now, it means a shorter lock down if that is necessary. We have a chance to avoid that.
If we had taken this stance when we reopened, we would be in very good shape. Maybe we needed to go a little slower too?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 22, 2020 16:33:16 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2020 7:31:48 GMT -6
I would worry less about that sentiment.
People don't like it, but there are a handful of states who have mask orders in place. In all of them enough people are complying to make a significant difference.
I do not believe Indiana is inherently different. If it works elsewhere it can work here.
The alternative is going to be continuing upswing in cases, and the hospitals are going to be crippled because supplies are short nationwide. Eventually if we don't do something now we have to backtrack on opening all the way or nearly all the way.
As it is we should go back to stage 2 AND wear masks for 3 weeks or a month. Bars and large gatherings just have to be closed down, bars in restaurants restricted so they don't become clubs.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 24, 2020 9:43:33 GMT -6
Never could get to that link.
Looks like a good source.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 24, 2020 10:08:10 GMT -6
Never could get to that link.
Looks like a good source.
it was a picture I took but it was great if you have facebook add me its worth a look |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 31, 2020 11:12:00 GMT -6
How the Eff has wearing a mask become so political? Even using religious objections? Huh? And those against masks are militant about it. Think it’s a mind control plot. Or just..... not macho? This is an offering a bit "overdone" from a recent twitter exchange on masks:
Thread by @libbyjones715: Welcome to the Freedom Cafe!
Welcome to the Freedom Cafe! We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.
We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs.
Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook’s right to do so.
Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can’t touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean.
Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they’d prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.
Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you’ll agree that it’s a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do - and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy.
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Post by lmills72 on Jul 31, 2020 15:09:58 GMT -6
I kinda put the anti-mask folks in the same camp with smokers who, it was said, would boycott and ruin businesses if they were not allowed to light up inside.
Of course, that never happened.
I'm sure many folks will take a vow to boycott businesses over their mask policies, but I doubt most will follow through and the few that do won't be greatly missed.
Hell, my wife walked out of Meijer 15 years ago after a bad customer service experience and vowed never to return. And she hasn't. But at Meijer, business somehow goes on without her.
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