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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2020 12:40:13 GMT -6
The cancellation might not be big for students, with 20-20 hindsight, we don't know yet, but fans and families probably better off for avoiding super spreaders events and mixing with them.
And cancelling may still look smart end of October into November.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 10, 2020 12:47:36 GMT -6
That article is pretty long on sensationalism and short on facts. It's obviously trying to make the biggest deal possible out of a somewhat murky situation.
On the other hand, I see that the total number of COVID deaths in the US military is......seven. As in one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. The youngest one being 34.
The most striking thing about this virus is the very, very dramatic difference in effect by age. But yet the media treats the infection of 1000 students the same as 1000 infections of anyone else. The infection of 1000 students is maybe not entirely without risk, but if, on the other hand, you had 1000 infections of 70-year-olds, it's time to rent some bulldozers to make mass graves.
To me, it is looking like the BIG10 will look increasingly silly for cancelling their football season. It will become increasing obvious this was done for political reasons rather than health reasons. Since the media agrees with those political reasons, they will be hyping whatever they can to make that decision look better, but there is only so much effectiveness to their spinning.
Im just throwing this out there cause it seems like it fits here.. Brown did a study of 29,000 positive cases from colleges around he US and there was not 1 hospitalization. The worry is not the students the just of them drinking to much and dying are higher.. The risk is to the faculty, Family and surrounding communities |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2020 13:31:22 GMT -6
Great point about the community. If BSU starts killing the locals we may have a problem...
We do have reason to be optimistic about the kids, but I am waiting to see how October works out. The idea of sending people home at Thanksgiving looks like it was a good one, but it is still not clear at all we get that far. Cold weather, flu season and the way the spread outside the university, here in Indiana and around the country will determine whether we can stay open.
All those estimates of 3000-4000 cases a day by years end PLUS flu complications are potentially very scary. Lock down level. Or at least backtracking on reopening standards. Limited commerce, smaller gatherings, that would make it hard to not close down university campuses.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 10, 2020 14:25:37 GMT -6
Pandemics are nature's way of clearing out the weak.
Just sayin'.
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Post by villagepub on Sept 10, 2020 14:50:48 GMT -6
Pandemics are nature's way of clearing out the weak. Just sayin'. Yep, and this one won't be the last one. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 10, 2020 17:27:07 GMT -6
Im just throwing this out there cause it seems like it fits here.. Brown did a study of 29,000 positive cases from colleges around he US and there was not 1 hospitalization. The worry is not the students the just of them drinking to much and dying are higher.. The risk is to the faculty, Family and surrounding communities Yes you are right. The concern is old people, old people old people. but: 1) faculty - people over 60 involved in education are going to have to be very very careful. Unfortunate, but that's just the way it is, and will be for the foreseeable future 2) family - this is why kids MUST be tested before going home 3) surrounding community - my recollection is having very little contact with that when I was in college. And this goes back to my point that these carefree 20 somethings will have LESS contact with any older people while they are at school, than when they are not at school. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2020 18:29:52 GMT -6
Pandemics are nature's way of clearing out the weak. Just sayin'. I'm just sayin' the two close to me recently lost, you would not find much weakness. Rethink a thoughtless remark. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 10, 2020 20:02:04 GMT -6
Well when live in Muncie and have kids in school you see the local kids all the time. I see the weirdos all the time they come watch their siblings play youth sports. The freshman locals still see the high school seniors. The HS seniors are visiting campus to see the freshman.. All these kids come home or live at home . I then hang out with the parents thus exposing myself. So I think the community is some what vulnerable from that and even restaurants, shopping etc. Im not sure how you protect the faculty that seems to be the trickiest part
I see your point as well though when I was student. I only went home for a couple days around Christmas..
But now that I think about I do not ever really remember being close to a prof. I just went in sat in the back took my notes and went home. You would think if a prof wanted to they could keep 6 feet of distance and any needed personal interaction could be done over zoom, text etc
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 10, 2020 20:33:48 GMT -6
I just feel that college kids get infected more but spread it less when they're on campus. Don't have any way to prove this
Anyway, this is why I'm not impressed with raw infections count stats from colleges. I just think: well...yeah.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2020 20:51:48 GMT -6
Good and bad news.
The odds small for most faculty, although the number of contacts makes many small risks add up. Masks, distance being observed pretty well, classrooms are reasonably safe.
Older profs on line helps a lot. Not always possible.
Danger in any case where you have poor ventilation indoors, a few buildings start out sick buildings with poor air exchange. Restrooms a hazard anywhere.
The problem is not the probability of harm it's that if vulnerable, the consequences are so severe.
At some level of contagion those odds are too high to ignore.
Sounds good to say "protect the vulnerable" but you can't always identify the vulnerable, and can't identify who's dangerous to them.
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Post by villagepub on Sept 10, 2020 22:38:06 GMT -6
It's the 3rd weekend of Fall Semester. Covid-19 rates are on par with herpes simplex 2.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 11, 2020 1:11:48 GMT -6
I just feel that college kids get infected more but spread it less when they're on campus. Don't have any way to prove this Anyway, this is why I'm not impressed with raw infections count stats from colleges. I just think: well...yeah. Delaware County is now the worst county in the state on Indianas New map. BSU is the cause. I think there needs to be an Asterix attached to the map that says college. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 11, 2020 8:10:18 GMT -6
It's the 3rd weekend of Fall Semester. Covid-19 rates are on par with herpes simplex 2. A little less likely you go home and kill grandma with that diseases, though.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 11, 2020 8:13:52 GMT -6
I just feel that college kids get infected more but spread it less when they're on campus. Don't have any way to prove this Anyway, this is why I'm not impressed with raw infections count stats from colleges. I just think: well...yeah. Delaware County is now the worst county in the state on Indianas New map. BSU is the cause. I think there needs to be an Asterix attached to the map that says college. Compare to Monroe and Tippecanoe Counties and we still don't look very good. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 11, 2020 8:14:21 GMT -6
It's the 3rd weekend of Fall Semester. Covid-19 rates are on par with herpes simplex 2. A little less likely you go home and kill grandma with that diseases, though.
I dont know the number one trending videos on Pornhub are always something to do with step sisters.. 2020 has been weird throwing granny into the mix might not be far off |
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