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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 11, 2020 8:19:22 GMT -6
Delaware County is now the worst county in the state on Indianas New map. BSU is the cause. I think there needs to be an Asterix attached to the map that says college. Compare to Monroe and Tippecanoe Counties and we still don't look very good. I dont have the map or know whats in those counties.. IU and PU maybe... Just like football we do not have the funding to do what they can do.. Im not saying BSU has done a good job but maybe they have had done all they could with what they have... Throw out the ball state numbers here in Del county and we look the same which has never been bad |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 11, 2020 8:30:40 GMT -6
A little less likely you go home and kill grandma with that diseases, though.
I dont know the number one trending videos on Pornhub are always something to do with step sisters.. 2020 has been weird throwing granny into the mix might not be far off You sometimes surprise me, but you are usually a trendsetter so I don't doubt you about granny porn.
Puts an unexpected to me new meaning on family values, I guess.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 11, 2020 8:35:16 GMT -6
I dont know the number one trending videos on Pornhub are always something to do with step sisters.. 2020 has been weird throwing granny into the mix might not be far off You sometimes surprise me, but you are usually a trendsetter so I don't doubt you about granny porn.
Puts an unexpected to me new meaning on family values, I guess.
I would not know from personal interweb searches but I have my finger on the pulse of a lot of things. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 11, 2020 9:08:44 GMT -6
Pandemics are nature's way of clearing out the weak. Just sayin'. I'm just sayin' the two close to me recently lost, you would not find much weakness. Rethink a thoughtless remark. Not thoughtless, just unfortunately very honest. Nature can be cruel and unforgiving. As advanced as we think we are, we still have to adhere to some simple, hard truths. One of them is that each of us will die of something. Another is that if you can't adapt (in this case, by fighting off a virus), you will die. Nothing personal, just the way of the world. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 11, 2020 9:10:54 GMT -6
You sometimes surprise me, but you are usually a trendsetter so I don't doubt you about granny porn.
Puts an unexpected to me new meaning on family values, I guess.
I would not know from personal interweb searches but I have my finger on the pulse of a lot of things. If you really want to freak yourself out, Google "Lemon Party." Don't do it at work, though. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 11, 2020 9:23:25 GMT -6
A little less likely you go home and kill grandma with that diseases, though.
I dont know the number one trending videos on Pornhub are always something to do with step sisters.. 2020 has been weird throwing granny into the mix might not be far off This is true. There does seem to be an incredible amount of interest in sex with step sisters. I would not have expected this, but I suppose that people (i.e. men) are just titillated by anything they are discouraged from having. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 11, 2020 9:33:14 GMT -6
I would not know from personal interweb searches but I have my finger on the pulse of a lot of things. If you really want to freak yourself out, Google "Lemon Party." Don't do it at work, though. Im going in...... hope I dont regret this Oh dear jesus I never made past the urban dictionary which lead with old gay man sucking |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 11, 2020 10:24:13 GMT -6
I'm just sayin' the two close to me recently lost, you would not find much weakness. Rethink a thoughtless remark. Not thoughtless... just unfortunately very honest...Nothing personal Not personal? Anything more personal than that kind of loss? I suspect if someone close to you suffers and dies you will rethink it before making a glib remark on how it contributed to culling the herd.
When you see the deaths of such a large number of good people and characterize it as "clearing out" the weak that is neither honestly accurate or thoughtful.
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 12, 2020 10:21:49 GMT -6
It's the 3rd weekend of Fall Semester. Covid-19 rates are on par with herpes simplex 2. A little less likely you go home and kill grandma with that diseases, though.
I have to admit 00, that's a great comeback! |
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Post by villagepub on Sept 12, 2020 10:35:08 GMT -6
It's the 3rd weekend of Fall Semester. Covid-19 rates are on par with herpes simplex 2. A little less likely you go home and kill grandma with that diseases, though.
Come on now. Let's not judge what someone's Gammy wants. |
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 12, 2020 10:45:59 GMT -6
I hadn't read this particular thread for a few weeks. After catching up, I have the following question for 00. How do you explain what is happening in Europe right now as illustrated with the following graph? ![]() ![]()  Covid-19 cases are increasing all over Europe except in Sweden. Even your vaunted Germany (included in the European Union curve) is experiencing a "second wave". Sweden is the exception. I explain this as Sweden having reached Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) is now protected from Covid-19's "second wave". I am curious to hear how you explain it. In the past you have said the people of Sweden are more responsible than folks in the US. Will you now say they are more responsible than folks in France and Germany? |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 12, 2020 12:33:03 GMT -6
I hadn't read this particular thread for a few weeks. After catching up, I have the following question for 00. How do you explain what is happening in Europe right now as illustrated with the following graph?......I explain this as Sweden having reached Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) is now protected from Covid-19's "second wave". I am curious to hear how you explain it. In the past you have said the people of Sweden are more responsible than folks in the US. Will you now say they are more responsible than folks in France and Germany?
But the bigger issue is still whether the Swedish experience means much outside Sweden. And what it says about the Scandinavian countries broadly. Until we see other countries with much different demographics and practices try this experiment we will not know.
I would not focus on the very most recent data, recent figures are not as important as how Sweden managed a decline in cases in early July. In any case, studies released in August did not confirm any threshold, though.
The data does also, just as you suggest, indicate that their demographics, population density, practices of social distance, masking, restrictions on large gatherings, along with generally good health care response has paid off to flatten and hold the curve. They are maintaining a steady state and that seems to be working. The graph shows more about how other countries are changing their practices. Sweden is a great model of what responsible people can do to limit the disease by behavior.
Notice your source and graph does not compare to Sweden's neighboring countries which are much more similar in demographics, and some factors suggest all the Scandavian countries have done better overall. What your graph does show is that in mid August, other countries outside that region had started to see the result of relaxing standards earlier in August. It is also true even next door to Sweden. Less dramatic maybe.
If you pick the USA, Germany, Spain, and any of the countries bordering Sweden along with the Swedes, you see a little different graph.
Those countries are all relatively flat in number of cases on a linear scale(or a per population scale). You can choose various combinations of countries and scale if you wish.
Let's look at your graph for a minute. If we look at the scale on the graph you cite, notice how the numbers in all these countries make us look like idiots.
If you superimpose our numbers on your source, we are off the scale at the top. Not even close to the worse.
On your graph notice how the information doesn't at all reflect experience remotely like ours, everybody is better.... Note that for all the countries, reopening is from a much lower level of infection and it is much more manageable than our experience. Across the board, even in the worst case which seems to be Spain they are at levels much lower than we are and can respond more easily.
Looking back on things, our lock down did work as well as Europe, during the lock down, that is. We just blew reopening. Whether we could have NOT locked down and done what they did in Sweden looks very remote. They did initially what we should have done during our "reopening" and have not done. Has we tried what Sweden did, I shudder to think how many deaths we would have seen and we would certainly not be better today.
There is pretty good argument the economic results would have been rather similar overall. We might have not had the rapid stop, but we'd have had shortly after a disastrous slow down due to the health crisis that would have resulted, and might be further from recovery now than we are with many more deaths. We would have had to institute a perhaps more severe lock down now.
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Post by villagepub on Sept 12, 2020 13:11:04 GMT -6
I hadn't read this particular thread for a few weeks. After catching up, I have the following question for 00. How do you explain what is happening in Europe right now as illustrated with the following graph? ![]() ![]() Covid-19 cases are increasing all over Europe except in Sweden. Even your vaunted Germany (included in the European Union curve) is experiencing a "second wave". Sweden is the exception. I explain this as Sweden having reached Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) is now protected from Covid-19's "second wave". I am curious to hear how you explain it. In the past you have said the people of Sweden are more responsible than folks in the US. Will you now say they are more responsible than folks in France and Germany? In Sweden, the Covid-19 virus just died off from boredom. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 12, 2020 13:32:53 GMT -6
Sometimes very exciting
We have reached consensus that Swedish models deserve our attention for that reason
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 12, 2020 14:17:27 GMT -6
I hadn't read this particular thread for a few weeks. After catching up, I have the following question for 00. How do you explain what is happening in Europe right now as illustrated with the following graph?......I explain this as Sweden having reached Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) is now protected from Covid-19's "second wave". I am curious to hear how you explain it. In the past you have said the people of Sweden are more responsible than folks in the US. Will you now say they are more responsible than folks in France and Germany?
But the bigger issue is still whether the Swedish experience means much outside Sweden. And what it says about the Scandinavian countries broadly. Until we see other countries with much different demographics and practices try this experiment we will not know. Okay, let's look at a country that is vastly different from Sweden in culture, population density, temperature ranges, etc. That country would be Pakistan. ![]()  In early April, they attempted the lockdown strategy. By early May, 2020 as cases continued to increase either their medical system was overwhelmed (likely) or they made a conscious decision to try to reach herd immunity. By June things were really out of control. The World Health Organization (WHO) told Pakistan they should reimpose the lockdown, but Pakistan refused. By June 15th, things peaked with hospitals full and only about 700 ventilators left for Covid-19 patients in the world's 5th largest country. But things dramatically changed as herd immunity was reached in July. Deaths decreased from nearly 1,000 per week in mid-June to 50 per week at the end of August. This wasn't because Pakistan got a new shipment of face masks in July. They simply reached the Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT). Different country, different culture, different population density, same result as Sweden. |
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