|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 10, 2020 15:51:03 GMT -6
What CDC misinformation would you be referring to? Would it be how the CDC analyzes and estimates yearly flu death figures to rates that are greatly overinflated, leading some people to believe that this coronavirus is not much worse than the regular flu? And what exactly might you have done if they had said "We really don't know what we're facing here but we believe it has the potential to be very dangerous. We recommend you socially distance, stay home/work from home unless necessary, keep your children out of school, close your business if non-essential." Would you have done any of that, or would you have just gone about your day while trying to stay out of prisons/nursing homes/apartment complexes? I'm sure you, as a responsible human being, would not have shown up to work sick, thinking it was no big deal. I'm sure nobody on these boards has ever done that themselves or knows anyone who's ever done that, so really we just could have relied on good old common sense. Right? All of you guys who are sure you had it back in January/February/March because you had just a little fever and a cough, a tickle in your throat. You stayed home on those days instead of taking the chance of infecting someone else with just a little ol' flu bug, right? Sure you did. Just common sense. Finally, if you think there were no mistakes made in dealing with this pandemic and that the results would be the same no matter what, I think you just haven't been paying attention. What misinformation? There are so many examples of what has been right or wrong and how to do this or that and all have been changed multiple times. Each time the media has picked it up and ran with it causing another panic/reaction or some cases an over reaction. What would have I done if they had said "We really do not know what we are facing here" I would have done what they recommended if at all possible. If we had not forced to shut down and my work remained open I would have went to work. I absolutely believe there were mistakes made by almost everyone. Would the results have been different no one knows Like I said I had the antibody test done because I believe I had it in February. I did not get the results today hopefully tomorrow. Your right I went to work and proceeded with my daily activities because at that time we did not have any recommendations to do any different The only problem I have with anything is purely to do with the media and how it promotes panic and confusion.. Not only with covid they do it with everything
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 10, 2020 16:57:28 GMT -6
The asymptomatic DO pass the virus IF they have the slightest symptoms. The WHO has been backpedaling from the quote which came from a nerd scientist who meant absolutely NO symptoms. No headache, no fatigue, no taste impairment, upset stomach and so on. Many would ignore or not notice very slight symptoms and be contagious. If they have symptoms then they are not asymptomatic
|
|
|
Post by lmills72 on Jun 10, 2020 19:07:19 GMT -6
So you want the government agencies to admit they don't know what they're dealing with and aren't sure of certain things, but then you criticize them for modifying best practices for controlling the outbreak as the situation evolves and they learn more about the virus. And you call those changes/modifications misinformation?
I know this comes as a shock to some, but health experts recommend you not go to work and risk infecting others ... even if you've just got the plain old flu. That should be standard operating procedure. Doesn't have to be a deadlier than normal flu variation.
I don't totally disagree with you about the media overall, but really the random potential tornado 150 miles away is much over overhyped than this has been. This has been serious, whether you believe it or not. It's probably the top story in the past several decades, and it's affected most, if not all, of the world. I understand people get tired of it, but this is generally justifiable news, unlike some of the crap they usually push on us.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 10, 2020 19:17:37 GMT -6
The asymptomatic DO pass the virus IF they have the slightest symptoms. The WHO has been backpedaling from the quote which came from a nerd scientist who meant absolutely NO symptoms. No headache, no fatigue, no taste impairment, upset stomach and so on. Many would ignore or not notice very slight symptoms and be contagious. If they have symptoms then they are not asymptomatic That is what the nerdy WHO scientist said, too. It is about semantics and ordinary use of the term. The statistics about asymptomatic infections includes those who have symptoms not noticeable to them or recognized as symptoms of coronavirus or reported as symptoms.
And there are numerous studies that show those who are in ordinary use of the word asymptomatic not only carrying a viral load but transmitting it to others. So the WHO scientist was probably wrong even in the most literal and narrow use of the term. Dr Fauci spoke to that today, and the WHO is officially backpedaling that literal interpretation.
In particular those studies and many others in this and other infectious diseases say that asymptomatic cases are infectious. Presymptomatic cases clearly cause transmission and many of those are asymptomatic. The virus is in your lungs but not causing symptoms and can be exhaled.
|
|
|
Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jun 10, 2020 19:38:04 GMT -6
The asymptomatic DO pass the virus IF they have the slightest symptoms. The WHO has been backpedaling from the quote which came from a nerd scientist who meant absolutely NO symptoms. No headache, no fatigue, no taste impairment, upset stomach and so on. Many would ignore or not notice very slight symptoms and be contagious. If they have symptoms then they are not asymptomatic
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 10, 2020 20:58:11 GMT -6
So you want the government agencies to admit they don't know what they're dealing with and aren't sure of certain things, but then you criticize them for modifying best practices for controlling the outbreak as the situation evolves and they learn more about the virus. And you call those changes/modifications misinformation? I know this comes as a shock to some, but health experts recommend you not go to work and risk infecting others ... even if you've just got the plain old flu. That should be standard operating procedure. Doesn't have to be a deadlier than normal flu variation. I don't totally disagree with you about the media overall, but really the random potential tornado 150 miles away is much over overhyped than this has been. This has been serious, whether you believe it or not. It's probably the top story in the past several decades, and it's affected most, if not all, of the world. I understand people get tired of it, but this is generally justifiable news, unlike some of the crap they usually push on us. I have no problem with changing certain things if they find something that will work better. I just think we/they/everyone is throwing shit trying to get something to stick. Hopefully eventually someone hits something solid. I do not believe anyone really knows much more about transmission than we did at the start.. We do know for a fact that this virus spreads easily at nursing homes/prisons/chicken factories and high density urban areas. I do not know if your calling me out about going to work or just making a general comment. I agree with you that a person should not go to work when sick if they think they could pass it on to others. In my case I left work on a Friday because I was feeling bad. I then went to the doc in the box where I was told I'd be fine to go back in Mon. You also make my media point when you talk about Tornados except I would have said Hurricanes.. Have you ever watched Hurricane coverage? Hell how about Winter storms.. Every one is now a doomsday event. When did I ever say this is not serious 110,000 people have died I do not know any sane person who would think that is not serious. My mom was hospitalized with it.. The only thing you and I seem to think differently about is how much of this and nearly everything else is being driven by the media bus..
|
|
|
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 11, 2020 6:28:54 GMT -6
The more people panic, the more clicks news sites get. The more they hype it, the more people panic.
Manipulate the masses with their feelings. Whether those feelings are panic, outrage, whatever, it all works the same.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 7:48:43 GMT -6
The asymptomatic DO pass the virus IF they have the slightest symptoms. The WHO has been backpedaling from the quote which came from a nerd scientist who meant absolutely NO symptoms. No headache, no fatigue, no taste impairment, upset stomach and so on. Many would ignore or not notice very slight symptoms and be contagious. If they have symptoms then they are not asymptomatic
Presymptomatic and asymptomatic often confused.
Studies quoted by original WHO official apparently do not say quite what it was originally thought.
Fauci quotes well established studies.
It is fair to say we do not know everything but the data do not justify saying we should not mask. Many do not notice, do not detect, or recognize symptoms and feel well generally. Presymptomatic people are highly contagious.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 8:09:38 GMT -6
The more people panic, the more clicks news sites get. The more they hype it, the more people panic. Manipulate the masses with their feelings. Whether those feelings are panic, outrage, whatever, it all works the same. Much of the reporting is simply factual.
I do not see this panic you seem to see.
People are being cautious in a situation which has a lot of unknowns and potentially fatal results for themselves or for others around them. That is not panic.
Panic is very strong out of control emotional response that is irrational and extreme. Being overly cautious is rational in an uncertain situation.
Being irrational would include mistrusting public health officials because you see a vast conspiracy. The worst type of emotional or irrational response would include advocating so taking drugs that doctors say NOT to take because they are dangerous, and ignoring expert advice on health issues.
You have even advocated HIDING or UNDERSTATING the danger "to prevent panic." That seems far to the other extreme. If the President had been square with us and followed his expert advisors we would have a lot less death and illness. thankfully he did follow their advice and not continue his head in the sand approach during the initial lock down period. Unfortunately he may have advocated a rapid reopening when a more cautious approach would appear to have been a wiser course.
We will see how this experiment works. Models now predict steady state or slight reduction in adverse health consequences with a very great danger of a second wave as early as September.
So far pushing the envelope on reopening has kept deaths at a very high rate, 1000 a day when we might have reduced the toll substantially by using that same bully pulpit to urge governors to reopen more slowly and in some cases delay doing so.
Perhaps that is the real "panic," on political grounds?
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 11, 2020 9:25:18 GMT -6
No doubt political agendas are playing a role in this.. I only have three words left to say in this... Fucking Toilet paper
|
|
|
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 11, 2020 10:55:19 GMT -6
The panic of the likelihood of a second Trump term.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 11:59:31 GMT -6
The panic of the likelihood of a second Trump term. As his hold on power is slipping quite a bit, most of the panic about the likelihood of that seems to be inside the beautiful wall built around the WH and in the bunker where the President has been hiding.
A President regularly displaying ignorance and refusing to listen to and follow expert advice does scare me a little, if that is what you mean. That he is supported by a third of the electorate is a little scary too.
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 11, 2020 12:21:32 GMT -6
Being irrational would include mistrusting public health officials because you see a vast conspiracy. The worst type of emotional or irrational response would include advocating so taking drugs that doctors say NOT to take because they are dangerous, and ignoring expert advice on health issues.
If you are referring to the study published in the Lancet medical journal about hydroxychloroquine not working on Civid-19, that was later retracted after the data used for it was found to be falsified. www.wsj.com/articles/authors-retract-study-that-found-risks-of-using-antimalaria-drug-against-covid-19-11591299329It's sad that false information is being put out by those wishing to manipulate this crisis to achieve their political goals. Hydroxchloroquine combined with Zpack is an effective treatment if used early enough for Covid-19, but because the President has advocated its use, it's been attacked. Who knows how many people could have been saved if not for this unethical treatment of the drug. Of course Dr. Fauci came out the day after the Lancet publication bashing Hydroxychloroquine and it's use. Funny how he hasn't printed or offered a retraction of those remarks. Just like his remarks back in February that Covid-19 wasn't going to be much of a problem for the world. For a so-called expert, the guy has been all over the map.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 12:32:40 GMT -6
Being irrational would include mistrusting public health officials because you see a vast conspiracy. The worst type of emotional or irrational response would include advocating so taking drugs that doctors say NOT to take because they are dangerous, and ignoring expert advice on health issues.
If you are referring to the study published in the Lancet medical journal about hydroxychloroquine not working on Civid-19, that was later retracted after the data used for it was found to be falsified. www.wsj.com/articles/authors-retract-study-that-found-risks-of-using-antimalaria-drug-against-covid-19-11591299329I was referring to what is the general advice from hospitals and physicians NOT to use this drug off label for prophylaxis. Most are no longer using it for treatment either. Retracting the study does not change that as before the study it was also the standard advice. The very few reports or studies supporting use were of very poor quality and inconclusive. Retraction of a poor study after the scientific community examined the evidence is how science works. NOT the same as the seeing the President at a press conference speculating ignorantly about injecting cleaners or light sources into the lungs as treatment. NOT by claiming in February we would soon have treatments without any such knowledge, although of course we would not need them since one day the virus will just go away.
It is truly wasteful and foolish that we funded purchase of large numbers of doses of this drug and are running out of remdesivir which has proven benefit in practice.
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 11, 2020 12:51:32 GMT -6
The panic of the likelihood of a second Trump term. As his hold on power is slipping quite a bit, most of the panic about the likelihood of that seems to be inside the beautiful wall built around the WH and in the bunker where the President has been hiding.
A President regularly displaying ignorance and refusing to listen to and follow expert advice does scare me a little, if that is what you mean. That he is supported by a third of the electorate is a little scary too.
What I find scary is Joe Biden is most likely to be the next President. His onset of dementia combined with the leftist policies of the folks actually pulling his strings will be a toxic combination. Are you watching what is happening today in Seattle with their little autonomous zone? Imagine that all over the USA wherever the Democrats control things. It also disgusts me on how Joe Biden's family will start enriching themselves again; his son in China and the Ukraine, his brother in construction projects in the Middle East, etc.
|
|