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Post by bsutrack on Jun 11, 2020 12:59:09 GMT -6
I was referring to what is the general advice from hospitals and physicians NOT to use this drug off label for prophylaxis. Most are no longer using it for treatment either. Retracting the study does not change that as before the study it was also the standard advice. The very few reports or studies supporting use were of very poor quality and inconclusive. Retraction of a poor study after the scientific community examined the evidence is how science works. NOT the same as the seeing the President at a press conference speculating ignorantly about injecting cleaners or light sources into the lungs as treatment. NOT by claiming in February we would soon have treatments without any such knowledge, although of course we would not need them since one day the virus will just go away.
It is truly wasteful and foolish that we funded purchase of large numbers of doses of this drug and are running out of remdesivir which has proven benefit in practice.
Remdesivir is an extremely expensive drug that doesn't work: www.statnews.com/2020/04/23/data-on-gileads-remdesivir-released-by-accident-show-no-benefit-for-coronavirus-patients/The only ones it benefits are the owners of Gilead stock. Maybe you fall into that category?
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Post by reevo on Jun 11, 2020 13:12:04 GMT -6
Interesting read. I try to follow both sides as my job does not permit me from engaging in political bickering. Going back in fourth between cable news networks and main stream media outlets, I try to decipher all the bullshit that is being thrown around with reality. Reality is ALWAYS different from the information we are getting from the media. Here is an interesting read from a well known cable news host. I must say he brings up some interesting points. Food for thought!
Millions of Americans remain subjected to unprecedented restrictions on their personal lives, their daily lives, their family's lives. The coronavirus lockdowns continue in many places. You may not know that because it gets no publicity, but it's true. And if you're living under it, you definitely know.
As a result of this, tens of millions of people are now unemployed. A huge number of them have no prospects of working again. Many thousands of small businesses are closed and will never reopen. More Americans have become dependent on drugs and alcohol, seeing their marriages dissolve, and become clinically depressed.
Some of them delayed their weddings. Others were banned by the government from burying their loved ones in funerals. Some Americans will die of cancer because they couldn't get cancer screenings, some unknown number have taken their own lives in despair. Others have flooded the streets to riot because bottled up rage and frustration take many forms.
The cost of shutting down the United States and denying our citizens desperately needed contact with one another is hard to calculate. But the cost has been staggering.
The people responsible for doing all of this, say they have no regrets about it. We faced a global calamity, they say. COVID-19 was the worst pandemic since the Spanish flu. That flu killed 50 million people.
We had no choice. We did the right thing. That's what they're telling us. Is it true?
The answer to that question matters, not just because the truth always matters, but because the credibility of our leaders is at stake here. This is the biggest decision they have made in our lifetimes. They were able to make it. They rule because we let them. Their power comes from us.
So the question, now and always is, are they worthy of that power? That's not a conversation they want to have. And right now, they don't have to have that conversation because all of us are distracted and mesmerized by the woke revolution underway outside.
They just created a separate country in Seattle. Huh? We'll bring you the latest on that. But we do think it's worth four minutes taking a pause to assess whether or not they were in fact lying to us about the coronavirus and our response to it.
And the short answer is this: Yes, they were definitely lying.
As a matter of public health, we can say conclusively the lockdowns were not necessary. In fact, we can prove that. And here's the most powerful evidence: States that never locked down at all -- states where people were allowed to live like Americans and not cower indoors alone -- in the end turned out no worse than states that had mandatory quarantines. The state you probably live in.
The states that locked down at first but were quick to reopen have not seen explosions of coronavirus cases. All of this is the opposite of what they said would happen with great confidence.
The media predicted mass death at places like Lake of the Ozarks and Ocean City, Md. -- places where the middle class dares to vacation. But those deaths never happened. In the end, the Wuhan coronavirus turned out to be a dangerous disease, but a manageable disease, like so many others. Far more dangerous were the lockdowns themselves.
For example, in New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, panicked and incompetent governors forced nursing homes to accept infected coronavirus patients, and as a result, many thousands died, and they died needlessly.
This is all a remarkable story, but it's going almost entirely uncovered. The media would rather tell you why you need to hate your neighbor for the color of his skin. The media definitely don't want to revisit what they were saying just a few weeks ago, when they were acting as press agents for power-drunk Democratic politicians.
Back then, news anchors were ordering you to stop asking questions and obey.
Chris Cuomo, CNN anchor: All right, so while most Americans are staying inside -- or should be, right, if they're not out protesting like fools -- they're not happy about being told to stay home. Staying home saves lives.
And the rest of us should be staying at home for our mothers and the people that we love, and to keep us farther apart, will ultimately bring us closer together in this cause.
Our collective conscientious actions -- staying home.
Oh, if you love your mother, you will do what I say. It turns out cable news anchors don't make very subtle propagandists.
And then Memorial Day arrived in May, and some states started to reopen. Millions of grateful Americans headed outdoors for the first time in months, and the media attacked them for doing that. They called them killers.
Swimming with your kids, they told us, was tantamount to mass murder.
Claire McCaskill, MSNBC political analyst: Frankly, a lot of the people in those crowds -- they thought they were, you know, standing up for what the president believes in and that is not to care about the public safety part of this.
Robyn Curnow, CNN host: Look at this. I mean, this is kind of crazy, considering we're in the middle of a global pandemic.
I mean, as one person quipped, you know, that's curving the curve. That's not flattening it.
Don Lemon, CNN anchor: Massive crowd of people crammed together, as if it were just an ordinary holiday weekend despite the risks of a virus that has killed more than 98,000 people.
Boy that montage was the opposite of a MENSA meeting. Has that much dumbness been captured on tape ever?
The last clip you saw was from May 25th. That was just over two weeks ago. "Ninety eight thousand people are dead. How dare you leave your house? You don't work in the media. You're not essential."
But it didn't take long for that message to change completely. In fact, it took precisely five days.
Here's the same brain dead news anchor you just saw less than a week later. He is no longer angry, you'll notice, about Americans going outside. As long as they are rioting and burning and not doing something sinful, like swimming with their children, he is delighted by it.
Lemon: And let's not forget, if anyone is judging this -- I'm not judging this, I'm just wondering what is going on. Because we were supposed to figure out this experiment a long time ago. Our country was started because -- this is how: the Boston Tea Party. Rioting.
So don't -- do not get it twisted and think that, oh, this is something that has never happened before. And then this is so terrible, and where are we in these savages and all of that. This is how this country was started.
Yes, don't judge. This is how this country was started -- by looting CVS and setting fire to Wendy's. Of course, you took American History. You knew that.
Andrew Cuomo's brother must have been in the same history class because he had the same reaction.
Chris Cuomo: America's major cities are filled with people demanding this country be more fair, more just.
And please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. Because I can show you that outraged citizens are the ones who have made America what she is and led to any major milestones.
They are here to yell, criticize, blame, and shame.
Citizens have no duty to check their outrage.
Wow. So, one minute they were mass murderers for going outside. Now, they're Sam Adams. They're patriots. They're American heroes.
If all of this seems like a pretty abrupt pivot, fret not. Rioting is not a health risk as long as it helps the Democratic Party's prospects in the November election. Rioting will not spread the coronavirus.
Sounds implausible, but we can be certain of that, because last week, hundreds of self-described public health officials signed a letter saying so. They announced that the Black Lives Matter riots are a vital contribution to public health. In effect, they're an essential medical procedure.
But that doesn't mean you get to go outside. You don't. Thanks to coronavirus, you do not have the right to resume your life, and if you complain about that, it's "white nationalism." That was their professional conclusion.
Does a single American believe any of that? No, of course not. It is too stupid even for CNN to repeat, so they mostly ignored it. That's an ominous sign if you think about it. It means these people are done trying to convince you, even to fool you.
They're not making arguments, they're issuing decrees. They think they can. They no longer believe they need your consent to make big decisions to run the country. Once the authority stops trying to change your mind, even by deceit, it means they've decided to use force -- and they have.
During the lockdowns, people whose loved ones died were not allowed to have funerals for them. Think about that. It's hard to think of anything crueler, but it happened to a lot of people. They claimed it was necessary. It was not necessary. And we know that because now that a man has died whose death is politically useful to the Democratic Party, the authorities have given him three funerals and not a word about a health risk.
Or consider King County, Wash -- that's where Seattle is. Restaurants in King County are operating at just 25 percent capacity. That's the law now. Nonessential businesses are allowed just 15 percent capacity. The effect of that is economic disaster. Most small businesses run on very small margins. They can't survive for long, and in fact, many have failed.
What should they do? They should join Antifa, obviously, because in King County, Wash., Antifa can do whatever Antifa wants to do. They have taken over an entire six-block section of downtown Seattle, and that's fine with health authorities. There is no social distancing required. They're essential.
Are you getting the picture? Is it adding up to a message? Yes, the message is we were played. We were all played. Corrupt politicians scared us into giving up control over the most basic questions in our lives. At the same time, they gave more power to their obedient followers, like Antifa, while keeping the rest of us trapped at home and censored online.
In other words, they used a public health emergency to subvert democracy and install themselves as monarchs. How were they able to do this? The sad truth is, they did it because we let them do it. We believed them, therefore, we obeyed them.
If there's anything good to come out of this disaster, it's that none of us will ever make that mistake again.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 13:15:07 GMT -6
I was referring to what is the general advice from hospitals and physicians NOT to use this drug off label for prophylaxis. Most are no longer using it for treatment either. Retracting the study does not change that as before the study it was also the standard advice. The very few reports or studies supporting use were of very poor quality and inconclusive. Retraction of a poor study after the scientific community examined the evidence is how science works. NOT the same as the seeing the President at a press conference speculating ignorantly about injecting cleaners or light sources into the lungs as treatment. NOT by claiming in February we would soon have treatments without any such knowledge, although of course we would not need them since one day the virus will just go away.
It is truly wasteful and foolish that we funded purchase of large numbers of doses of this drug and are running out of remdesivir which has proven benefit in practice.
Remdesivir is an extremely expensive drug that doesn't work: www.statnews.com/2020/04/23/data-on-gileads-remdesivir-released-by-accident-show-no-benefit-for-coronavirus-patients/The only ones it benefits are the owners of Gilead stock. Maybe you fall into that category? It is not a cure but it does have proven benefit.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 15:08:50 GMT -6
Biden VP likely a smart woman. Maybe we'll be OK with that.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 11, 2020 15:15:09 GMT -6
So I got my test results back and my doctor says it does look like I probably had a mild case of corona. There is always the chance that it could be a false positive and that the antibodies could be from a different virus. But based on timing and symptoms he feels comfortable saying that it was indeed corona. He went onto say he has seen similar results in many tests and thinks many many people if tested would also have similar results.
So now that brings up some more questions for me personally.. If it were corona where and how did I get it? Why did my wife and kids not get it?(my wife was negative,Kids were not tested) The only thing I can think is we have some family friends who were very sick around the same time. I was with them multiple times during the same period. After I told them I tested positive they are going in on Monday to get tested. If I did have it my case was not much. I had the typical symptoms and a few other weird ones but never felt like I was going to kick the bucket. Our friends who were sick at the same time had a much worse time with whatever they had.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 15:36:27 GMT -6
You are young and strong, kids young, wife very strong to be with you so long, that beats the virus!
So congratulations.
Did your friends contract it from you?
Either way it was good you did not contact lots of older relatives or friends, maintained social distance while contagious, and could avoid passing the bug to them. Maybe with this bug you have to be lucky and smart or at least one of those...
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 11, 2020 16:19:41 GMT -6
You are young and strong, kids young, wife very strong to be with you so long, that beats the virus!
So congratulations.
Did your friends contract it from you?
Either way it was good you did not contact lots of older relatives or friends, maintained social distance while contagious, and could avoid passing the bug to them. Maybe with this bug you have to be lucky and smart or at least one of those... hahahah yea she is a saint.. No if anything and I really did have it I would have contracted it from them. The kicker is this was mid February before any of the social distancing or any of that.. I went home from work on Friday and returned on Monday this is what the doc in the box said was all right. I have not looked at the dates or schedule but I am sure that if there were any BSU or Delta basketball games the weekend before or after I would have been there. No clue really though
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Post by lmills72 on Jun 11, 2020 16:27:23 GMT -6
Reevo could you please post a link to the article you posted?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 16:50:03 GMT -6
As his hold on power is slipping quite a bit, most of the panic about the likelihood of that seems to be inside the beautiful wall built around the WH and in the bunker where the President has been hiding.
A President regularly displaying ignorance and refusing to listen to and follow expert advice does scare me a little, if that is what you mean. That he is supported by a third of the electorate is a little scary too.
What I find scary is Joe Biden is most likely to be the next President. His onset of dementia combined with the leftist policies of the folks actually pulling his strings will be a toxic combination. Are you watching what is happening today in Seattle with their little autonomous zone? Imagine that all over the USA wherever the Democrats control things. It also disgusts me on how Joe Biden's family will start enriching themselves again; his son in China and the Ukraine, his brother in construction projects in the Middle East, etc. How will that happen with everyone watching unless Biden is willing to defy and deny the press reports of such events? You don't worry a little about Donald Trump and his family where the President is quite willing?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2020 16:53:55 GMT -6
You are young and strong, kids young, wife very strong to be with you so long, that beats the virus!
So congratulations.
Did your friends contract it from you?
Either way it was good you did not contact lots of older relatives or friends, maintained social distance while contagious, and could avoid passing the bug to them. Maybe with this bug you have to be lucky and smart or at least one of those... hahahah yea she is a saint.. No if anything and I really did have it I would have contracted it from them. The kicker is this was mid February before any of the social distancing or any of that.. I went home from work on Friday and returned on Monday this is what the doc in the box said was all right. I have not looked at the dates or schedule but I am sure that if there were any BSU or Delta basketball games the weekend before or after I would have been there. No clue really though
We should act differently now with the same facts.
The article cited above raises another question. Are you really out of the woods now? Could you have unnoticed but permanent vascular damage that will bite you in the ass when you are 60. Or the next time you have the flu. That is troubling. And without much more testing we never will have data to trace harm back to the original infection.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 11, 2020 18:03:55 GMT -6
No I was not asymptomatic I had every symptom plus a couple of the weird ones. If anything I should be counted as one who has had it. The doctor even mentioned this saying what ever the number of cases is it should probably at least be doubled. He also said that he doubts that ever happens because even though a person has antibodies they were never officially diagnosed. I agree with you we have no long term answers and will not for a long time. Im not going to run around like superman thinking I am immune. I am going to keep washing my hands and keep up distancing when possible. What else can you do?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 12, 2020 7:54:08 GMT -6
Biden VP likely a smart woman. Maybe we'll be OK with that. Now, if he can find a black transgendered lesbian vegan atheist, that would tick all the boxes.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 12, 2020 8:02:05 GMT -6
Biden VP likely a smart woman. Maybe we'll be OK with that. Now, if he can find a black transgendered lesbian vegan atheist, that would tick all the boxes. Biden will boldly fail in that. Too many new ideas for him. You think he is more imaginative and capable than Dubya.
I would hope he sticks to woman and smart, he should be able to understand that.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 12, 2020 8:03:33 GMT -6
Now, if he can find a black transgendered lesbian vegan atheist, that would tick all the boxes. Biden will boldly fail in that. Too many new ideas for him. You think he is more imaginative and capable than Dubya.
I would hope he sticks to woman and smart, he should be able to understand that.
Shouldn't he pick the most qualified person, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, creed, etc.?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 12, 2020 9:23:52 GMT -6
Biden will boldly fail in that. Too many new ideas for him. You think he is more imaginative and capable than Dubya.
I would hope he sticks to woman and smart, he should be able to understand that.
Shouldn't he pick the most qualified person, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, creed, etc.? VP is always a political choice with a nod to being qualified if not best as a potential President. We would not have Pence if we were looking for the best qualified person.
There is some merit in bringing in on the team someone different from yourself in background and experience. Certainly Trump did that with Pence although it is not clear how much influence the VP actually has.
Gender and race do give perspective since both result in experience that is different. A black man and woman share some of that race experience for example which seem awfully relevant right now.
Experience and an ability to communicate with a large part of the electorate is a qualification. Obama ultimately failed to understand and communicate with what became the Trump base.
A white male on the ticket would create a potential weakness, not just a political one. The Trumps team lacks input or influence by women and minorities and that is weakness for him since he doesn't get (may not care about) the views of a large portion of the electorate and population.
Biden might seek out that point of view where Trump cannot or does not. But seeing that presence in the oval office is plus for him.
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