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Post by cardfan on Jan 6, 2021 14:33:05 GMT -6
Trump absolutely incited this mess. Never in my lifetime.....
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 6, 2021 14:38:40 GMT -6
Trump absolutely incited this mess. Never in my lifetime..... just like I said before shoot them all |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 6, 2021 14:51:00 GMT -6
Trump absolutely incited this mess. Never in my lifetime..... just like I said before shoot them all NO. Hold them responsible and hold the Duke of Orange responsible.
This is a case where guns are definitely NOT the solution. Too many of those people are deceived and have made a terrible mistake to believe their leader.
Solving this by violence even lawful violence by the authorities is the kind of chaos that delights this country's enemies. If Trump is not an agent of Putin he may as well be one.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 6, 2021 14:55:18 GMT -6
Act II. Trump declares martial law, declares it unsafe for Congress to meet...says he won. No Congressional action required for him to remain in office.
Shades of Adolph Hitler?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 6, 2021 15:03:11 GMT -6
Act II. Trump declares martial law, declares it unsafe for Congress to meet...says he won. No Congressional action required for him to remain in office. Shades of Adolph Hitler? Obama likes dogs. Just like Hitler. See how that works? You can connect ANYONE to Hitler if you want to. Republicans are quick to denounce the violent troublemakers though. Polar opposite of Democrats and Antifa. Oh, and don't give Pence any cred for not bowing to Trump. |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 6, 2021 15:34:36 GMT -6
Trump is absolutely following Hitlers play book for trying to remain in power. Maybe not intentionally, but he’s using the same tactics. Beer hall Putsch, anyone?
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Post by villagepub on Jan 6, 2021 15:39:30 GMT -6
Act II. Trump declares martial law, declares it unsafe for Congress to meet...says he won. No Congressional action required for him to remain in office. Shades of Adolph Hitler? Just love it when folks tie any politician to Adolph Hitler, or Stalin, or tie their actions to Watergate...ad nauseum |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 6, 2021 16:12:02 GMT -6
I've said many times I've never been a hard core trump supporter but after today I have no respect at all for him. This is a disgrace to our country..
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 6, 2021 16:19:52 GMT -6
Act II. Trump declares martial law, declares it unsafe for Congress to meet...says he won. No Congressional action required for him to remain in office. Shades of Adolph Hitler? Obama likes dogs. Just like Hitler. See how that works? You can connect ANYONE to Hitler if you want to. Republicans are quick to denounce the violent troublemakers though. Polar opposite of Democrats and Antifa. Oh, and don't give Pence any cred for not bowing to Trump. I give Pence no credit for doing his job. Which is not one of absolute personal loyalty to the Royal Orange.
The Republicans denounce violent troublemakers? Those who do I salute. But it's a little late to give many much credit for courage. Too many have bowed and scraped to Trump and the loyal core he has put together that is dangerous.
Denounce is a little weak. And. That is certainly not what Trump has done with these clowns. He says he understands them since their election was stolen...in other words. "Stop now, go home," is not exactly denouncing the action. Perhaps he wanted to add "stand ready for the next time!" Had he made peaceful protest a focus of his rally speech, to respect law and order he could have prevented this. But instead he urged them to be "strong," to march down the mall. He encouraged violent elements in the Proud Boys to come to this rally, not just sincere peaceful protestors.
What could go wrong?
You object to comparison to a racist authoritarian populist in Hitler.
Liking dogs is not similar to his campaign of "populism," blaming so many ills on immigrants and minorities, of inciting "white pride" and "the heritage of the country" and finally taking power and disobeying law, and finally now denying democratic process.
Still I agree it is sometimes to easy to use the Hitler card. Please note I used a question mark there. cardfan answers in the affirmative. The parallel of Hitlers actions in Germany is striking. Elements of race, elements of authoritarian leadership, strong criticism of the established government and process.
How about making a better argument why he is not following that path.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 6, 2021 17:08:33 GMT -6
Add in decrying the free press as “fake,” (a newspaper devoted to Hitler was created. Trump wants to create his own network). Vilifying ANYONE dares speak out against him. Stoking nationalistic fires. HUGE RALLIES. Sycophants as deputies and in positions of power. People willing to die for him (yep trump too). Executing political enemies. (You don’t see trump telling Lin Wood to knock off the call for executions do ya?) calling elections rigged, etc etc etc. it’s a long list of very similar characteristics and behaviors. Not all, not all, but many.
And he’s got his cult calling Pence a traitor. For following the constitution?
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Jan 6, 2021 17:19:09 GMT -6
My vote goes to whoever charges me less in taxes, that simple... best solution is whichever congress representatives (don’t want to get in trouble by the new rules apparently with men and women) vote to raise taxes, their constituents have to pay it, the reps who don’t vote for it, their constituents have the option to pay the taxes...
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 6, 2021 20:18:32 GMT -6
My vote goes to whoever charges me less in taxes, that simple... best solution is whichever congress representatives (don’t want to get in trouble by the new rules apparently with men and women) vote to raise taxes, their constituents have to pay it, the reps who don’t vote for it, their constituents have the option to pay the taxes... There is some risk to your wealth with that logic.
A stable society requires good government. That has some costs. You can go too far with tax cuts.
Too little government hurt us with Covid. And, trusting the markets and complete individual choice is not an option as long there are other governments where a libertarian solution is hard to make work.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2021 12:54:15 GMT -6
Trump absolutely incited this mess. Never in my lifetime.....
It could be sheer incompetence I suppose. He invites a large number of people including the anti-semitic and violent Proud Boys and others. He promises "wild things" are going to happen. He tells them they have been robbed. That they need to be "strong" and need to send Congress an unmistakable message. Urges them to march down the mall to the Capitol.
What could go wrong? How could he have known anything might happen?
He would not want to restrain the speech of his followers after all. Granted that when BLM was in town, confined to a park across the street, he gathered 1000's of police and military to protect law and order. When he needed to walk on the streets to do important business waving a Bible in front of a church, he tear gassed the crowd and used rubber bullets to disband them.
Reluctant to call the National Guard even after the Capitol is breached. When the important business was Congress doing its duty electing a President, it was different...
After all a white crowd was there, many "good people." Had this been BLM crowd organizing a rally on the mall, what would he have done?
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2021 13:03:51 GMT -6
The actual breach of the Capitol building was planned on line in social media. The FBI and federal authorities had to know. Did they tell Trump? How did he react? We know he went to the rally as advertised and gave a rousing speech.
Did Barr resign before or after Trump planned this and knew the obvious dangers?
We know Trump took no steps in the planning to restrain the large planned election rally. Incompetence, criminal negligence, intent? Take your pick.
Tucker Carlson chooses none of the above, saying it is liberals to blame. They should have expected this by not condemning BLM? All those GOP Congressmen and Senators put in harms way were victims of the liberal elite? No responsibility on the President to protect order and the Constitution I guess. Pesky oath of office irrelevant...
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2021 13:17:47 GMT -6
Add in decrying the free press as “fake,” (a newspaper devoted to Hitler was created. Trump wants to create his own network). Vilifying ANYONE dares speak out against him. Stoking nationalistic fires. HUGE RALLIES. Sycophants as deputies and in positions of power. People willing to die for him (yep trump too). Executing political enemies. (You don’t see trump telling Lin Wood to knock off the call for executions do ya?) calling elections rigged, etc etc etc. it’s a long list of very similar characteristics and behaviors. Not all, not all, but many. And he’s got his cult calling Pence a traitor. For following the constitution? He may now lie low relatively speaking for a while. Then take revenge on everyone.
Among those traitors at home, he's going to also have to "primary" his good friend Boris Johnson it appears. Boris has also abandoned the Orange One. But never fear his brother Kim and BFF Putin will remain loyal. This is their kind of strong leadership!
Bring back the old gang in 4 years! MAGA. Who will remember a little vandalism and violence in the Capitol among his loyal twitter followers? Who will remember Covid? Who will remember his handling of racial divide in the country?
Who can forget that massive wall that Mexico paid for? And the tax cut of course? It solved nearly all the economic problems. Those small businesses wiped out just didn't have good accountants planning their taxes like Trump's family business.
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