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Post by halftime on Aug 9, 2021 9:27:43 GMT -6
While OTOH the intentional red state politics opposing mitigation and crippling public health, encouraging and supporting vaccination hesitancy is pretty clearly causing a surge. Go F yourself. Give me one statement, in context, made by a National Republican Politician that discouraged vaccination. |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2021 9:29:21 GMT -6
You surely don't want to review the Trump comedy of errors about Covid. Let's give credit for vaccine, but expect the development to lead to promotion of it's use in unequivocal terms. Trump should do that and get his lap dogs to quit sabotaging the one area where he treated Covid as a real threat and took action. Comedy of Errors? Let's see, implemented a travel ban from China, the original source of Covid-19 That policy was not very effective was it? It did not cover quite a number of people. And the evidence is the virus already had a foothold. In any case foreign infections are not easily excluded, and bound to be ineffective when you couple it with incompetent management of the infections that are bound to enter.
Developing a vaccine and not encouraging its use in the last days of his Presidency did not make up for months of failure to make national response to the problem, wherever it started. Instead he convinced many it was not a problem. And preached distrust of the science and public health agencies that are now again struggling with this new surge.
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Post by halftime on Aug 9, 2021 9:34:28 GMT -6
Like the quotes from Biden and Harris running up to the election that they wouldn't trust.... So you think those quotes a year ago are the reason? The vaccination rate among NYC blacks is 30%, maybe I should just assume it's based on bigotry and hatred by the Democrat Party. I don't believe that's true, but it's no dumber than the crap you post all the time. |
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Post by halftime on Aug 9, 2021 9:42:36 GMT -6
Comedy of Errors? Let's see, implemented a travel ban from China, the original source of Covid-19 That policy was not very effective was it? But your party of idiots labeled it pure xenophobia that had no basis in science. Besides the actual deaths are far lower than originally predicted, so don't give us a bunch of preachy bullshit about responsibility. |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2021 9:59:44 GMT -6
While OTOH the intentional red state politics opposing mitigation and crippling public health, encouraging and supporting vaccination hesitancy is pretty clearly causing a surge. Go F yourself. Give me one statement made by a National Republican Politician that discouraged vaccination. Doesn't it say above "red state politics?"
I see GOP red state legislatures actually forbidding vaccine mandates, supporting anti-vax positions, and discouraging vaccination in many cases. The correlation of red state GOP voters with vaccine hesitancy is significant. Much of that is politics. You think not?
National Republican politicians who are reluctant to do anything about public health, are marginally better in public statements, but guilty of failing to actively and vigorously encouraging vaccination. Half of House Republicans will not say they are vaccinated, Trump as President was vaccinated in secret.
Are national GOP leaders actively discouraging vaccines?
You may have a point they have avoided that, although certainly the campaign had as a central GOP tenet that the virus is not a big problem, they are not correcting that error now, This discourages vaccine use, makes it not urgent. Vaccine critics were recently invited to CPAC. Many statements where "choice" is emphasized, but information about the need is not mentioned.
So maybe the official position is that this is a state matter. "No comment, not my problem." when asked to comment on state actions.
You will find isolated lukewarm support for vaccination among GOP politicians. But, prominent national GOP figures are praising red state actions.
Where are the national politicians actively supporting Biden plans for national vaccination?
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Post by halftime on Aug 9, 2021 10:05:07 GMT -6
Go F yourself. Give me one statement made by a National Republican Politician that discouraged vaccination. Doesn't it say above "red state politics?"
I see GOP red state legislatures actually forbidding vaccine mandates, supporting anti-vax positions, and discouraging vaccination in many cases. The correlation of red state GOP voters with vaccine hesitancy is significant. Much of that is politics. You think not?
National Republican politicians who are reluctant to do anything about public health, are marginally better in public statements, but guilty of failing to actively and vigorously encouraging vaccination. Half of House Republicans will not say they are vaccinated, Trump as President was vaccinated in secret.
Are national GOP leaders actively discouraging vaccines?
You may have a point they have avoided that, although certainly the campaign had as a central GOP tenet that the virus is not a big problem, they are not correcting that error now, This discourages vaccine use, makes it not urgent. Vaccine critics were recently invited to CPAC. Many statements where "choice" is emphasized, but information about the need is not mentioned.
So maybe the official position is that this is a state matter. "No comment, not my problem." when asked to comment on state actions.
You will find isolated lukewarm support for vaccination among GOP politicians. But, prominent national GOP figures are praising red state actions.
Where are the national politicians actively supporting Biden plans for national vaccination?
So in other words you dug around on the internet, couldn't find a single quote, then moved your own goalposts. Grow-up. |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2021 11:13:08 GMT -6
Doesn't it say above "red state politics?"
I see GOP red state legislatures actually forbidding vaccine mandates, supporting anti-vax positions, and discouraging vaccination in many cases. The correlation of red state GOP voters with vaccine hesitancy is significant. Much of that is politics. You think not?
....Where are the national politicians actively supporting Biden plans for national vaccination?
So in other words you dug around on the internet, couldn't find a single quote, then moved your own goalposts. Grow-up. NO You want quotes from people backing up a claim I did not make.
I criticized GOP red state politics. Accurately.
Silence indicts national GOP figures for their failure on this issue. Their strategy is to ignore. Lukewarm statements and no comment.
You want easy to find internet sources that describe the problem that exists now. Summary It's been very weak GOP comment until very recently.
Energetic responsible promotion of vaccines might make a difference
(links repaired now I hope)
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Post by halftime on Aug 9, 2021 11:42:23 GMT -6
Well let's see some dead links that won't pull up, and the one article I could actually read was a left wing spin piece that quoted Republicans making statements imploring people to get vaccinated. You are batting a thousand today.
It's kind of amusing the Military , who pretty much makes every vaccination mandatory, waited until today to add this to the list. Yet you would argue there are no legit reasons anyone might have a concern and it's all right wing misinformation.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2021 12:32:25 GMT -6
Well let's see some dead links that won't pull up, and the one article I could actually read was a left wing spin piece that quoted Republicans making statements imploring people to get vaccinated. I think you missed some of that article. Reply and link to it and I'll be glad to help you out.
I worked again on links, they now work for me.
PM me if still a problem and I will embed the full link.
Or fire off a quick insult about something if you don't want to discuss the issue...
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2021 12:53:28 GMT -6
It's kind of amusing the Military , who pretty much makes every vaccination mandatory, waited until today to add this to the list. Yet you would argue there are no legit reasons anyone might have a concern and it's all right wing misinformation. Not that funny. DOD was unable to mandate vaccine until "full approval" or a Presidential waiver.
"Service men and women have to give their “informed consent” to receiving a medical intervention that has not yet received full approval. Removing that legal requirement would take a presidential waiver. And Biden has previously said he did not believe that COVID-19 vaccines should be mandatory for anyone."
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2021 13:33:34 GMT -6
I am seeing no evidence as the article I cited suggests that there is linkage to Covid spread. I do have a question, why are you so fixated on the panic porn of the Delta Variant? Don't you realize it's 1/10th as deadly as the earlier strains? ..... Well...
First there is the rather urgent problems with the surge which are slamming hospitals in some areas and of course killing people. That difference in death rate is NOT the case in the countries (or US areas) where there is very poor vaccine coverage. In UK and US a very large part of the most vulnerable population is vaccinated and that really helps population statistics. Yes we are better off being vaccinated.
But, those many who are not vaccinated and in ICU beds now probably aren't quite as satisfied as you are with the knowledge that the variant is not racking up the same numbers in overall population. Those who will recover will cost us a lot of health care dollars, hurt productivity in industry and suffer needlessly.
The delta variant may in fact hit children harder and not only spread faster, but make people infectious faster. So even the asymptomatic cases may endanger family and those around you more. Using India as a guide, the UK, which is about a month ahead of the US, should be basically through the Delta Variant in another month. The US has probably 2 months to go. Then you can start worrying about the Lambda Variant which is prevalent in South America and will mainly enter the US through Joe Biden's open door southern border. For the reasons above we should be careful to say this variant is less dangerous, but every infected person is a host for possible variants we don't know about.
We should worry about lambda a little and other variants and the best defense we have now against variation is trust in vaccines. The number of immigrants entering the country NOW are not a problem.
IF lambda or another inevitable variant is more deadly and can evade vaccine protection, our greatest hope would be vaccines are totally accepted and we can develop a booster that deals with the new variant.
A border closing? Maybe very limited help in that event if it is possible. Doubtful it is. We ought to worry more about the variations that will be home grown if we do not vaccinate the host population we now have.
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Post by bsutrack on Aug 9, 2021 20:36:39 GMT -6
But, those many who are not vaccinated and in ICU beds now probably aren't quite as satisfied as you are with the knowledge that the variant is not racking up the same numbers in overall population. Those who will recover will cost us a lot of health care dollars, hurt productivity in industry and suffer needlessly.
As sad as it might be, they made an informed choice about the vaccine and decided not to get it. In a free society, you give people information and allow them to make up their own minds. It sounds like Calhoun's friend made a bad decision that hopefully he lives to regret. Joe Biden's open border policy has facilitated the import of illegal drugs such as synthetic opioids into the country as border patrol agents are too busy babysitting illegals to stop the Mexican cartels. In fact, the cartels use the illegals as misdirection; flooding an area of the border with illegals, waiting for the border agents to respond, and then moving their drugs through a different area of the border. There were over 93,000 such deaths last year, which will greatly increase this year. www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-drug-overdose-deaths-soared-nearly-30-in-2020-11626271200Friends and family members of those drug overdose victims will probably not be as satisfied with Joe Biden open border policies as you are. Those who recover from drug overdoses will also cost us lots of health care dollars, hurt productivity in industry, and suffer needlessly. |
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Post by bsutrack on Aug 9, 2021 21:03:35 GMT -6
So you think those quotes a year ago are the reason? The vaccination rate among NYC blacks is 30%, maybe I should just assume it's based on bigotry and hatred by the Democrat Party. I don't believe that's true, but it's no dumber than the crap you post all the time. This is the one aspect I missed last evening, the much lower vaccination rates among Black Americans compared to the general population. 00 likes to attack Republicans for not getting vaccinated, but this is obviously a Democratic voting block which isn't getting the message spewing from the Biden Administration. The best explanation for this seems to be the mixed messages sent out by the Biden Administration and a basic distrust of the US Government by Black Americans. Mixed messages such as Biden and Harris making statements in the 2020 campaign about not trusting a vaccine developed by Trump followed by a FDA that takes forever to approve it beyond emergency use. The Biden Administration then says you can stop wearing a mask if you get vaccinated, but now says you must go back to wearing a mask even if you are vaccinated. Then there is the little bit of history concerning the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htmIn 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male” (now referred to as the “USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee”). The study initially involved 600 Black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease. Participants’ informed consent was not collected. Researchers told the men they were being treated for “bad blood,” a local term used to describe several ailments, including syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. In exchange for taking part in the study, the men received free medical exams, free meals, and burial insurance. It seems in June of this year, the ever declining mental capacity president named Joe Biden, in an attempt to explain why Black Americans lagged in Covid-19 vaccination rates, confused this with the Tuskegee Airmen of WW II. www.al.com/news/2021/06/biden-confuses-tuskegee-airmen-with-syphilis-study-victims-in-explaining-covid-vaccine-reluctance.htmlBe sure to watch the embedded clip of Joe confusing a syphilis study with a WW II air force unit. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. |
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Post by bsutrack on Aug 9, 2021 21:05:26 GMT -6
On a lighter note, we're only 52 pages behind the great Desmond Bane thread!
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Post by halftime on Aug 9, 2021 21:33:55 GMT -6
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