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Post by 00hmh on Dec 9, 2021 21:37:35 GMT -6
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 10, 2021 11:14:03 GMT -6
We need immigration to fill jobs nobody else wants and due to population demographics/
Rich guys need gardeners and nannies to take advantage of, ya know. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 10, 2021 12:13:19 GMT -6
We need immigration to fill jobs nobody else wants and due to population demographics/
Rich guys need gardeners and nannies to take advantage of, ya know. True. And with more job openings than we those seeking employment we need others. And longer term need their sons and daughters who are educated in our schools to replace retiring workers. Priority should be attracting the educated and trained workers. And certainly we need to retain the DACA group. |
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Post by sweep on Dec 10, 2021 12:38:30 GMT -6
Rich guys need gardeners and nannies to take advantage of, ya know. True. And with more job openings than we those seeking employment we need others. And longer term need their sons and daughters who are educated in our schools to replace retiring workers. Priority should be attracting the educated and trained workers. And certainly we need to retain the DACA group. All of that is accomplished with legal immigration, which absolutely no one has a problem with. So what exactly was your point ? |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 10, 2021 12:50:53 GMT -6
Rich guys need gardeners and nannies to take advantage of, ya know. True. And with more job openings than we those seeking employment we need others. And longer term need their sons and daughters who are educated in our schools to replace retiring workers. Priority should be attracting the educated and trained workers. And certainly we need to retain the DACA group. If we didn't have illegals to take advantage of, the market would correct itself in short order. If there's a job that nobody will take, the pay, or the job description, or the benefits will change until somebody takes it. Or the job gets assigned to someone already working there, until they quit and move on. Illegal immigrants short-circuit the system, and get paid off the books, which means they don't contribute their fair share (see, it's not just the rich guys that "don't pay their fair share"). Plus, they consume public services, which they aren't paying for, putting a bigger burden on actual taxpayers. That is called theft. And this administration is ok with it. So are you. Does this mean I can come to your house and take your car? |
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Post by sweep on Dec 10, 2021 13:31:50 GMT -6
True. And with more job openings than we those seeking employment we need others. And longer term need their sons and daughters who are educated in our schools to replace retiring workers. Priority should be attracting the educated and trained workers. And certainly we need to retain the DACA group. Does this mean I can come to your house and take your car? Of course you can, and it will be an easy theft because he doesn't believe in the security of walls. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 10, 2021 13:52:31 GMT -6
True. And with more job openings than we those seeking employment we need others. And longer term need their sons and daughters who are educated in our schools to replace retiring workers. Priority should be attracting the educated and trained workers. And certainly we need to retain the DACA group. If we didn't have illegals to take advantage of, the market would correct itself in short order. If there's a job that nobody will take, the pay, or the job description, or the benefits will change until somebody takes it. Or the job gets assigned to someone already working there, until they quit and move on. Sounds good except for that "until" you mention. No correction has taken place and we've had this now for months. Not without raising salaries and that of course increases costs to consumers.
There is a long history of failure to fill those low wage jobs, migrants for decades have been filling jobs in agriculture, meat packing and other low wage jobs when Americans simply refuse to work them. Employers will tell you nowin the current market they are hiring and training people for those bad jobs and finding them quitting, not showing up after a few days. Those are not immigrants, they show up and work them for years.
We have more jobs than people in the work force now. Every economist confirms that.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 10, 2021 13:55:29 GMT -6
True. And with more job openings than we those seeking employment we need others. And longer term need their sons and daughters who are educated in our schools to replace retiring workers. Priority should be attracting the educated and trained workers. And certainly we need to retain the DACA group. All of that is accomplished with legal immigration, which absolutely no one has a problem with. So what exactly was your point ? Except it doesn't since we have cut back legal immigration, including H1 visas for highly trained immigrants. Many of those people now excluded would have been admitted legally with asylum status and taken jobs. Even those at the Southern border.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 10, 2021 13:58:35 GMT -6
Does this mean I can come to your house and take your car? Of course you can, and it will be an easy theft because he doesn't believe in the security of walls. Wait a minute? You have said we don't need walls around large open areas like your mansion. Or Texas?
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 10, 2021 14:19:20 GMT -6
True. And with more job openings than we those seeking employment we need others. And longer term need their sons and daughters who are educated in our schools to replace retiring workers. Priority should be attracting the educated and trained workers. And certainly we need to retain the DACA group. Illegal immigrants short-circuit the system, and get paid off the books, which means they don't contribute their fair share (see, it's not just the rich guys that "don't pay their fair share"). Plus, they consume public services, which they aren't paying for, putting a bigger burden on actual taxpayers. That is called theft. And this administration is ok with it. So are you. Does this mean I can come to your house and take your car?so you You think only illegal immigrants are short circuiting the system?
Theft you say? Then we are all accessories to theft in a great deal of trade that is cash based and not taxed. Also much of the work in the cash economy is due to employers wanting to evade payroll taxes. The GOP regularly opposes moves that would cut that abuse. That theft is OK in your book?
Plus, of course, workers in the cash economy include many tradesmen and other workers who are not immigrants and evade income taxes.
Perhaps you would be happy to pay more for all these services if you just knew it was going to Uncle Sam? I don't think so...Besides, more likely you just couldn't get a lot of construction and other work done at all.
Those "thieves" are providing you with valuable goods and services at lower prices. In addition they avoid consuming public services and pay sales taxes on items they buy. Or perhaps we should just go to a VAT?
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Post by sweep on Dec 10, 2021 15:14:19 GMT -6
All of that is accomplished with legal immigration, which absolutely no one has a problem with. So what exactly was your point ? Except it doesn't since we have cut back legal immigration,
Oh okay, so apparently Joe Biden does have a problem with legal immigration. My bad.................... www.cato.org/commentary/joe-biden-overseeing-one-largest-cuts-legal-immigration-history So now what exactly was your point again ? Do you have one ? |
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Post by sweep on Dec 10, 2021 15:16:28 GMT -6
Of course you can, and it will be an easy theft because he doesn't believe in the security of walls. Wait a minute? You have said we don't need walls ................
No moron, YOU said we don't need walls because they aren't economical and don't work. You seriously need to see a mental health specialist. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 10, 2021 15:42:05 GMT -6
Sounds good except for that "until" you mention. No correction has taken place and we've had this now for months. Not without raising salaries and that of course increases costs to consumers.
There is a long history of failure to fill those low wage jobs, migrants for decades have been filling jobs in agriculture, meat packing and other low wage jobs when Americans simply refuse to work them. Employers will tell you nowin the current market they are hiring and training people for those bad jobs and finding them quitting, not showing up after a few days. Those are not immigrants, they show up and work them for years.
We have more jobs than people in the work force now. Every economist confirms that.
Yeah, I wonder what could be causing that. Extended unemployment benefits, mandated vaccinations, businesses that can't pay more because they lost a shit ton since the pandemic started, supply chain issues... Not to mention millennials that still live with their parents, so they really don't "need" (or want) a job unless it pays 80K a year because that's what their participation trophy parents keep telling them... Need I go on about all of Biden's "success" stories? |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 10, 2021 18:42:46 GMT -6
Whatever the reason we have a long term demographic problem with a prospective labor shortage.
Declining birth rate, elderly work for e and opposition to immigration caused similar severe problems and still troubles Japan.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 10, 2021 19:06:38 GMT -6
Sounds good except for that "until" you mention...
There is a long history of failure to fill those low wage jobs.. Yeah, I wonder what could be causing that. Extended unemployment benefits, mandated vaccinations, businesses that can't pay more because they lost a shit ton since the pandemic started, supply chain issues... Not to mention millennials that still live with their parents, so they really don't "need" (or want) a job unless it pays 80K a year because that's what their participation trophy parents keep telling them... Supply chain can hardly be a Biden caused problem? Or millennials psychology? States who cut unemployment benefits off have done no better collectively either... Nor are you responding to the real long term labor force demographics. |
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