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Post by bsutrack on Dec 23, 2021 15:37:36 GMT -6
He was reporting on research done out of Hong Kong. You should be attacking the researchers out of Hong Kong, not the messenger. I thought he gave an excellent presentation of their work. There was nothing about anti-vax in his presentation. In fact he mentioned the very item as you did above about the higher rates being a potential problem. Now be nice, 00 only recognizes sources with impeccable reputations like NPR, CNN and Mother Jones. That and attacking the messenger when he doesn't like the message, or can't refute the message. It's 00's favorite line of defense like a turtle recoiling into it's shell when threatened. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 23, 2021 16:15:41 GMT -6
No need to go to the nice old guy who is pushing anti-vax theories and ivermectin. 1. The threat here is short term that we swamp the hospital systems. Even if 80% less likely to go into the hospital, that 70X transmission problem will likely mean the US hospitals are swamped with serious cases, and death rate may be higher than normal in that population. This bug is going to literally spread like wildfire. Already showing that. He was reporting on research done out of Hong Kong. You should be attacking the researchers out of Hong Kong, not the messenger. I thought he gave an excellent presentation of their work. There was nothing about anti-vax in his presentation. In fact he mentioned the very item as you did above about the higher rates being a potential problem. He's a nice old guy who has a social media presence, much of it fringe science and unfortunately anti vax for the most part.
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Post by bsutrack on Dec 24, 2021 0:18:02 GMT -6
He was reporting on research done out of Hong Kong. You should be attacking the researchers out of Hong Kong, not the messenger. I thought he gave an excellent presentation of their work. There was nothing about anti-vax in his presentation. In fact he mentioned the very item as you did above about the higher rates being a potential problem. He's a nice old guy who has a social media presence, much of it fringe science and unfortunately anti vax for the most part.
You sound like you have read or listened to his stuff before. I honesty had never before a few days ago. His video was posted on an oil & gas site I read under a discussion of how much Omicron was really going to impact oil demand. Oil has gone down about $10 per barrel over the last month due to Omicron; although some Democrats like to believe the drop is due to Joe Biden releasing oil from the SPR. Someone had linked the video as evidence that the price of oil should soon recover as Omicron wasn't going to be all that bad. I just thought it was a decent explanation of the differences between Delta and Omicron. I had never read or listened to the guy before. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 25, 2021 10:21:37 GMT -6
It appears we have a Blue State problem with the spread of Covid-19. I wonder. Omicron is spreading fast, faster in those states with less vaccination.
Florida getting hit since snowbirds and tourists are in state this month. Up 300% in last week, but probably mostly less serious cases.
Surge in hospitalization and deaths should be in January from Omicron. Places where delta had created a surge recently are in the peak of a hospital crisis from that variant. That will be tough. Indiana is a case in point, a Blue State suffering as those not vaccinated are paying a big price.
The good news if we can call it that is it will give them a chance to be super immune if the Omicron case doesn't kill them. The bad news is anyone needing hospital care for other reasons is in trouble the next 6 weeks.
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Post by bsutrack on Dec 25, 2021 19:45:24 GMT -6
Vanity Fair is reporting how the Biden Administration passed on a Covid-19 testing program back in October of this year.
www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/12/the-biden-administration-rejected-an-october-proposal-for-free-rapid-tests-for-the-holidays"On October 22, a group of COVID-19 testing experts joined a Zoom call with officials from the Biden administration and presented a strategy for overhauling America’s approach to testing. The 10-page plan, which Vanity Fair has obtained, would enable the U.S. to finally do what many other countries had already done: Put rapid at-home COVID-19 testing into the hands of average citizens, allowing them to screen themselves in real time and thereby help reduce transmission. The plan called for an estimated 732 million tests per month, a number that would require a major ramp-up of manufacturing capacity. It also recommended, right on the first page, a nationwide “Testing Surge to Prevent Holiday COVID Surge.”
" The plan in effect, was a blueprint for how to avoid what is happening at this very moment—endless lines of desperate Americans clamoring for tests in order to safeguard holiday gatherings, just as COVID-19 is exploding again. Yesterday, President Biden told David Muir of ABC News, “I wish I had thought about ordering” 500 million at-home tests “two months ago.” But the proposal shared at the meeting in October, disclosed here for the first time, included a “Bold Plan for Impact” and a provision for “Every American Household to Receive Free Rapid Tests for the Holidays/New Year.” "Three days after the meeting, on October 25, the COVID-19 testing experts—who hailed from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, the Rockefeller Foundation, the COVID Collaborative, and several other organizations—received a back channel communication from a White House official. Their big, bold idea for free home tests for all Americans to avoid a holiday surge, they were told, was dead." Some obvious questions: 1) Why didn't Biden do this? My guess is because additional testing always turns-up more positive cases. The percentage of positive cases normally stays relatively constant, but double the number of tests will result in doubling the number of positives. More positives would reflect badly on Biden's ability to as he put it when elected "defeat the virus". I think he wanted to avoid looking bad. 2) Why then make the announcement a few days before Christmas about a Federal website where testing kits could be ordered for free during January? Apparently the pressure had gotten so bad, he needed to appear to be doing something and didn't think anyone would learn about this earlier rejection of the idea. 3) Why in the ABC News interview with David Muir did President Biden say “I wish I had thought about ordering” 500 million at-home tests “two months ago”? Is he so senile he had already forgotten about the October chance at doing this? Or, did his handlers such as Chief of Staff Ron Klain (who is most likely actually running the country) just not ever tell him about the opportunity? |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 25, 2021 20:11:17 GMT -6
Testing has been a failure from the start of the pandemic.
Advisors always want more, the executive doesn't go for it.
This surge from Omicron is a little different. Testing is less effective since it is so contagious. And relatively more mild.
You almost have to test in the morning before you go out. Literally you can be exposed and within 12-18 hours be contagious. Probably not feel sick or very sick.
It would take a lot more tests than the October meeting called for. Plus people would have to use them.
Best bang for the buck though, except maybe getting N95 masks to everyone. Although you can't get people to wear masks...
I doubt they'd use tests either if they had them. Sad.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 28, 2021 21:19:30 GMT -6
Goddete is twitter Hell
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Post by bsutony on Dec 28, 2021 23:19:38 GMT -6
He got a ratioed pretty bad on that tweet and had some prominent people comment about it. It just isn’t very logical.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 29, 2021 13:51:04 GMT -6
So Godett has had the vaccine plus booster, yet has still gotten COVID twice... and then tells people to get their shots.
A textbook case of “Why?”
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 29, 2021 15:40:30 GMT -6
So Godett has had the vaccine plus booster, yet has still gotten COVID twice... and then tells people to get their shots. A textbook case of “Why?” Maybe he understands it's no sure thing he is protected. His job is about meeting too many people close quarters and usually unmasked to avoid risk. If everyone else were vaccinated, he'd be safer. Odds are vaccine works. This bug is tough to beat. Everyone has a good chance to eventually get it. We still need to fight it though. Stretch out the impact. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 29, 2021 17:53:45 GMT -6
Fully vaxxed and boosted can not only get it, but spread it, negating the argument that it’s the unvaxxed that are the culprits.
But liberals will still bully conservatives over it, because “science.”
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 29, 2021 18:58:03 GMT -6
Fully vaxxed and boosted can not only get it, but spread it, negating the argument that it’s the unvaxxed that are the culprits. Sure they can. Especially with Omicron. But much less likely to do so. Not as often. This is a numbers game. If they are not the only people spreading the bug, they are more often going to be spreading it.
Here's that pesky science part.
Not vaccinated and exposed to Omicron, you are VERY likely to get the bug, MUCH more likely to be symptomatic, and also that it will be in your system longer. Assume both groups are likely to encounter the bug equally often(a good assumption, unless those not vaccinated practice careful social distance and masking to a greater degree, doubtful.)
This means each person not vaccinated is going to more likely spread to far more people. Especially to their family znd friends who are more likely also not vaccinated.
Those not vaccinated are also at much greater risk to themselves. They can choose the risk to themselves, but I don't think they have it right to risk spreading to others.
Those vaccinated or not should be worried enough they should mask and practice social distance with vulnerable other who they are around.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 29, 2021 21:34:08 GMT -6
What ever Joel was trying to say did not work. Now we have Yahoo's bashing BSU because of Joel's dumbass.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 30, 2021 11:01:43 GMT -6
At this point we should all be able to agree that 1 the Vax Booster etc does not and will not keep you from getting covid. We should also be able to agree that at least for the original strain and Delta the Vax kept you from dying. The monkey wrench in this now is omicron appears to be a cold right now for most. If that holds true it's going to be nearly impossible to get the unvaxed vaxed
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 30, 2021 12:03:59 GMT -6
Sure they can. Especially with Omicron. But much less likely to do so. Not as often. This is a numbers game. If they are not the only people spreading the bug, they are more often going to be spreading it.
Here's that pesky science part.
Not vaccinated and exposed to Omicron, you are VERY likely to get the bug, MUCH more likely to be symptomatic, and also that it will be in your system longer. Assume both groups are likely to encounter the bug equally often(a good assumption, unless those not vaccinated practice careful social distance and masking to a greater degree, doubtful.)
This means each person not vaccinated is going to more likely spread to far more people. Especially to their family znd friends who are more likely also not vaccinated.
Those not vaccinated are also at much greater risk to themselves. They can choose the risk to themselves, but I don't think they have it right to risk spreading to others.
Those vaccinated or not should be worried enough they should mask and practice social distance with vulnerable other who they are around.
I'd like to see some numbers on that. |
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