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Post by cardfan on Aug 21, 2020 8:20:01 GMT -6
I just had a surreal thought. How many of these college students are having parties like this with the express intent of getting in-person classes shut down? Would you rather sleep through a boring 10:30am lecture on the fruit fly? Or do online learning where you fill in a couple study guides, watch some videos, and take a test once every three weeks, while getting drunk every night? It's genius I tells ya! This is where the College Experience comes into play. You cannot convince me that online learning is as effective as in-person teaching. Young adults have a short attention span anyway, and with all the distractions at home, there is no way they can concentrate on class as well as they could if they were in the classroom. Hell, working from home has been great, but I feel like I'm not getting some things done around the office, or not paying enough attention to other things. It's hard to be disciplined at home, and I'm an old fart. I can't imagine trying to take all my classes online. I don’t disagree here.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 21, 2020 8:21:06 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 21, 2020 8:26:15 GMT -6
I dont know about college but I can tell e learning/online is worthless for my 5th and third grader. My son wiped out 3 months of learning in 2 hours when we were locked down.. My daughter is different she needs classroom instruction and extra help. My son will be fine, My daughter will fall more behind.. Neither learned anything new
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 21, 2020 8:27:43 GMT -6
Im driving through campus tonight to see whats up
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Post by cardfan on Aug 21, 2020 8:30:23 GMT -6
Im driving through campus tonight to see whats up It’ll be raging on Riverside, just like normal.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2020 8:32:58 GMT -6
Funny how opinions about how to handle the virus have fallen along political lines, isn't it? But yet the left won't admit that. I don't see is that the right admits the purely political basis for their response. On the other hand the opposition on the left has science as the source of their belief about the virus and I believe they do readily admit that basis. It is perceptive of you to note the resulting political divide. But the left surely admits that divide.
What you neglected to mention is the reason for the divide. Saying things are just fine is not scientific, it's not true, denying the science as hoax and conspiracy against their agenda is not true, it's just the current political response on the right to bad scientific news.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 21, 2020 8:37:27 GMT -6
The left frame everything as ending it complete doom and gloom apocolyptic ending.... The right frames it as a push through and survive and Rocky will live to fight another day. The answer like everything else falls in he middle.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2020 8:39:47 GMT -6
I just had a surreal thought. How many of these college students are having parties like this with the express intent of getting in-person classes shut down? Would you rather sleep through a boring 10:30am lecture on the fruit fly? Or do online learning where you fill in a couple study guides, watch some videos, and take a test once every three weeks, while getting drunk every night? It's genius I tells ya! This is where the College Experience comes into play. You cannot convince me that online learning is as effective as in-person teaching. Young adults have a short attention span anyway, and with all the distractions at home, there is no way they can concentrate on class as well as they could if they were in the classroom. Hell, working from home has been great, but I feel like I'm not getting some things done around the office, or not paying enough attention to other things. It's hard to be disciplined at home, and I'm an old fart. I can't imagine trying to take all my classes online. We completely agree on desirability of in person learning. The issue here is whether we can afford the benefit of better education if it is actually dangerous to the students and to their community and family. We would not insist students go to school if there is hurricane watch in effect. Even though quite often that warning is not accompanied by an actual storm. But we do not ignore the danger and go with business as usual. We board up windows and hunker down.
The reality of this natural disaster of disease is we have to pay a price for it, and the choice of deferring good education for a semester until we have vaccine and trying to prevent spread of disease is the higher priority. You seem to give that less weight. That's where we disagree.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2020 8:50:15 GMT -6
College students are at an age where they feel immortal. Did anyone really think that they would return to campuses and not congregate and have parties? And you might not see the big parties but there will be be parties. You just won't know about them. Agreed. Ordering schools to go back face to face is potentially a mistake we cannot afford.
I am reasonably confident the classrooms and on campus public spaces will be fairly safe. Social distance and masking is being ordered. I am hoping it protects faculty and staff and students who do not party.
But off campus, in the privacy of dorms and student housing and in public space off campus, the typical student will go to the party and endanger his community, his friends and family.
Maybe there will be some redeeming lesson that emerges from this as students see others around them suffer. But students don't like studying history...
Maybe even we'll be wrong about our worries. But it's a big gamble with losing odds.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Aug 21, 2020 8:53:30 GMT -6
I just had a surreal thought. How many of these college students are having parties like this with the express intent of getting in-person classes shut down? Would you rather sleep through a boring 10:30am lecture on the fruit fly? Or do online learning where you fill in a couple study guides, watch some videos, and take a test once every three weeks, while getting drunk every night? It's genius I tells ya! This is where the College Experience comes into play. You cannot convince me that online learning is as effective as in-person teaching. Young adults have a short attention span anyway, and with all the distractions at home, there is no way they can concentrate on class as well as they could if they were in the classroom. Hell, working from home has been great, but I feel like I'm not getting some things done around the office, or not paying enough attention to other things. It's hard to be disciplined at home, and I'm an old fart. I can't imagine trying to take all my classes online. And this is where the maturity/age difference comes in. I'm only 35, I'm not an old fart by any means, but I completely agree with you regarding on-line/in-person effectiveness. Having spent a semester teaching undergrads at Ball State I saw first hand the differences between class engagement online and in person, and it's night and day. Students will do the bare minimum with online, while during in class time you can at least force them through creatives means to exert a little bit of time and energy on the subject. The difference is what us older folk consider to be the "College Experience" and what college-aged kids believe it to be. Do we believe college kids think the College Experience is learning, going to class, getting better/smarter/wiser? Or to them is the College Experience going to parties, hanging out in the dorms, playing frisbee on the quad, going to frat houses and the village, and oh yeah sprinkle a class and a test in there somewhere between frisbee catch #43 and beer #8? Of the 16,000 or so undegrads on campus, I'd wager about 12,000 consider their experience to be the latter way more than the former. So to them, getting in-person classes shut down would be 100% in line with them getting their "college experience", right or wrong.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 21, 2020 8:59:27 GMT -6
Im going to say this 100 percent jokingly but if you think about it.. It would work. Our world is fucked up right now. We should all agree on that. Our 2 main problems right now are a virus that no one knew how to handle. Every one made mistakes with it even if there was one person who knew how to handle it they could never get everyone in the gen pop to together to stop it. The second issue of lawlessness stemmed from a cop fucking up and doing something terrible.. Whats going on now know longer has anything to do with that..
So
Send in whoever you want, Army, Marines, rambo fuck it send in the xmen.. End it when another places pops off end it.
Then
Masks will they solve this hmmmm probably not can they halt/slow it. I think the answer is probably yes. If its not then so the fuck what you had to wear a mask its not a big deal Print millions of tickets that a person has thirty days to pay. If they do not pay it comes out of paycheck,welfare,SSI or where ever your hiding or getting your money. Tickets are 200 a piece..
People will wear the mask
So who is voting for me
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Post by frozenbaugh on Aug 21, 2020 9:18:16 GMT -6
College students are at an age where they feel immortal. Did anyone really think that they would return to campuses and not congregate and have parties? And you might not see the big parties but there will be be parties. You just won't know about them. Agreed. Ordering schools to go back face to face is potentially a mistake we cannot afford.
I am reasonably confident the classrooms and on campus public spaces will be fairly safe. Social distance and masking is being ordered. I am hoping it protects faculty and staff and students who do not party.
But off campus, in the privacy of dorms and student housing and in public space off campus, the typical student will go to the party and endanger his community, his friends and family.
Maybe there will be some redeeming lesson that emerges from this as students see others around them suffer. But students don't like studying history...
Maybe even we'll be wrong about our worries. But it's a big gamble with losing odds.
How were you at 20, 21? Would you have been worried about 'endangering' your community, friends and family? You know they don't think like us, right? I'm not making excuses for them but even in this environment, I likely would have wanted to know where the next party was at that age.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 21, 2020 9:24:55 GMT -6
Agreed. Ordering schools to go back face to face is potentially a mistake we cannot afford.
I am reasonably confident the classrooms and on campus public spaces will be fairly safe. Social distance and masking is being ordered. I am hoping it protects faculty and staff and students who do not party.
But off campus, in the privacy of dorms and student housing and in public space off campus, the typical student will go to the party and endanger his community, his friends and family.
Maybe there will be some redeeming lesson that emerges from this as students see others around them suffer. But students don't like studying history...
Maybe even we'll be wrong about our worries. But it's a big gamble with losing odds.
How were you at 20, 21? Would you have been worried about 'endangering' your community, friends and family? You know they don't think like us, right? I'm not making excuses for them but even in this environment, I likely would have wanted to know where the next party was at that age. streaking who's going with me
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Post by frozenbaugh on Aug 21, 2020 9:26:58 GMT -6
In. Some middle-aged, out of shape dad bods streaking......I'll try to find my Will Farrell mask.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 21, 2020 9:41:43 GMT -6
In. Some middle-aged, out of shape dad bods streaking......I'll try to find my Will Farrell mask. See streaking while wearing a mask..You get it you "woke" sum bitch
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