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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2020 10:39:41 GMT -6
Whatever you think about masks, if you are wearing a mask in public, pulled down so that your nose and maybe mouth are exposed...YOU ARE A DUMBASS.
If you don't believe in mask wearing then have the balls to do without it entirely. Don't act like a spoiled petulant child making a show of half-assed, ineffective compliance with something you don't want to do.
If you do believe in mask wearing, understand that you nostrils are connected to your respiratory system.
You see a lot of this around and I have started making comments to people about it. Not because of the covid risk, but because of the sheer stupidity and pointlessness of the practice.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 21, 2020 11:54:18 GMT -6
Chins and necks gotta be protected!
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2020 12:49:06 GMT -6
I can see someone with no mask in a certain situation and it doesn't bother me at all as long as they aren't getting up in my face.
But if I see someone in the same situation with their mask below their nose, I want to give them a hard kick in the ass.
By the way, I'm not talking about pulling your mask down temporarily while you are walking outside or something. but just today the person who fixed my lunch behind a counter had their mask only on their chin, and the cashier who checked me out at the grocery store had the mask below her nose. Either wear your mask or don't. Finally fed up, I asked the cashier "Do you not breath through your nose?" Which just seemed to confuse her.
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Post by 3b on Aug 21, 2020 13:00:36 GMT -6
Is there a site online where i can see the eastern kty $ amounts they will be paid by the schools they have scheduled this season? Thank you
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Aug 21, 2020 13:59:21 GMT -6
Is there a site online where i can see the eastern kty $ amounts they will be paid by the schools they have scheduled this season? Thank you Newspaper article (https://www.richmondregister.com/sports/breaking-news-eku-to-opt-out-of-ovcs-spring-season-play-non-league-schedule-in/article_bc88f08e-e3c5-11ea-b085-431842745c67.html) states that the three "pay" games (Marshall, WVU and Troy) will generate $1,000,000.
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Post by bsutrack on Aug 21, 2020 14:56:25 GMT -6
Funny how opinions about how to handle the virus have fallen along political lines, isn't it? But yet the left won't admit that. I don't see is that the right admits the purely political basis for their response. On the other hand the opposition on the left has science as the source of their belief about the virus and I believe they do readily admit that basis. It is perceptive of you to note the resulting political divide. But the left surely admits that divide.
What you neglected to mention is the reason for the divide. Saying things are just fine is not scientific, it's not true, denying the science as hoax and conspiracy against their agenda is not true, it's just the current political response on the right to bad scientific news.
For the left its use of science is strictly selective. Take for example the left's trashing of the use of hydroxychloroquine. Not using it has cost the lives of thousands. www.zerohedge.com/medical/doctors-pen-open-letter-fauci-regarding-use-hydroxychloroquine-treating-covid-19Many folks are visual learners, so let's try an experiment to see if you are. Look at the following bar graph. The Y-axis is case fatality rate for folks hospitalized with Covid-19. The X-axis are countries. Red bars are countries where hydroxychloroquine has not been used in the treatment of Covid-19 patients; mostly countries in western Europe. The case fatality rate ranges from 8 to 19%. On the extreme right in green bars are counties with heavy hydrochloroquine usage. They have case fatality rates of 1 to 4%. In between in yellow-orange are countries with some hydrochloroquine usage. Of course is is science the left refuses to accept.
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Post by cbcjanney on Aug 21, 2020 15:31:29 GMT -6
College students are at an age where they feel immortal. Did anyone really think that they would return to campuses and not congregate and have parties? And you might not see the big parties but there will be be parties. You just won't know about them. UNC and Michigan St and ND cashed their checks and sent them home where they will do at home what they normally would do on campus. Schools are less about the feels of everyone being safe and more about not getting sued or getting bad press. It's not just that college students feel immortal - but concerning this coronavirus in Indiana the scientific data actually evidences they have been virtually immortal. The state database: www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm says there have been 12 deaths total in Indiana for ages 29 and below. Assuming some of those were post college-age 20's or younger than 18, there are likely single-digit death totals of college-age students now 160 days into the pandemic. That dashboard also states that there have been 2,282 of the (currently) 2,992 deaths age 70+, with over 1/2 of those deaths being above age 80. Now we all know there aren't too many folks age 70-90 wandering around any college campuses. Yet colleges and the media are freaking out as if the statistics were backwards, being frightful of 1 or 2 cases cropping up as though the college-age demographic was the highly vulnerable demographic and the scientifically immaterial likelihood group was the one absent from college campuses. The schools are asking thousands of students to modify behaviors to possibly prevent one death. Humanely yes one can rationalize this, but scientifically you cannot rationalize it - as many many behaviors by certain groups affect the mortality of non-involved others. I know many 80-yr olds who have no business still driving, just terrible drivers...yet you can't talk them into giving up their keys because they might kill an innocent college-age student.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2020 16:01:25 GMT -6
The scientists do the science, not the left.
If you call it selective to use good science recognized in the field, published in authoritative journals maybe so. That is good science however.
I am not convinced when you conclude the prevalent opinion is in error citing an article published in an unscientific source one not written by scientists prominent in the field.
The nation's best scientists seem to disagree with this source. It's not politicians on the left though making that call.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2020 16:05:39 GMT -6
That the students may have less risk here is not the sole issue.
Far more that we are facilitating community spread and endangering others.
But be cautious in concluding immortality longer term. New studies are suggesting risk for the students as well. Mortality in the immediate course of the disease is not the only issue.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Aug 21, 2020 17:38:04 GMT -6
Every single one of us is immortal.
...so far, at least.
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Post by CallingBS on Aug 21, 2020 19:20:34 GMT -6
College students are at an age where they feel immortal. Did anyone really think that they would return to campuses and not congregate and have parties? And you might not see the big parties but there will be be parties. You just won't know about them. UNC and Michigan St and ND cashed their checks and sent them home where they will do at home what they normally would do on campus. Schools are less about the feels of everyone being safe and more about not getting sued or getting bad press. It's not just that college students feel immortal - but concerning this coronavirus in Indiana the scientific data actually evidences they have been virtually immortal. The state database: www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm says there have been 12 deaths total in Indiana for ages 29 and below. Assuming some of those were post college-age 20's or younger than 18, there are likely single-digit death totals of college-age students now 160 days into the pandemic. That dashboard also states that there have been 2,282 of the (currently) 2,992 deaths age 70+, with over 1/2 of those deaths being above age 80. Now we all know there aren't too many folks age 70-90 wandering around any college campuses. Yet colleges and the media are freaking out as if the statistics were backwards, being frightful of 1 or 2 cases cropping up as though the college-age demographic was the highly vulnerable demographic and the scientifically immaterial likelihood group was the one absent from college campuses. The schools are asking thousands of students to modify behaviors to possibly prevent one death. Humanely yes one can rationalize this, but scientifically you cannot rationalize it - as many many behaviors by certain groups affect the mortality of non-involved others. I know many 80-yr olds who have no business still driving, just terrible drivers...yet you can't talk them into giving up their keys because they might kill an innocent college-age student. And if we are going to try to save one theoretical life via Covid (maybe, because deaths with other causes are being attributed to Covid), then we should do the same with every strain of the flu, every strain of the common cold (caronovirus), etc.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2020 20:30:07 GMT -6
1 death you think is at stake? I don't follow that.
This is not just about risk to students you know. We have a lot of vulnerable faculty and staff as well as Muncie citizens who are at greater risk as school reopens.
Plus. Spreading the infection here in a petri dish, those students taking it home or elsewhere. That's part of the threat
This is not the flu. Other damage to those infected is longer term possible even to the asymptomatic.
We already spend a lot of money to prevent other unnecessary death, so I agree this should join that priority.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2020 20:33:00 GMT -6
There is little evidence we are over counting the death toll. In fact evidence we are more likely under counting.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 22, 2020 9:09:47 GMT -6
A lot of people who like to portray themselves as being all about science suddenly start screaming to burn witches when genetics and IQ are discussed
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Post by bsu0 on Aug 22, 2020 9:19:02 GMT -6
Wear a mask properly, wash your hands, keep 6-8 ft from others, then go out and do what ever business you need to do. If you can stay home then do so. If you have to leave then do your business and return home. A week ago Sunday I saw three Doctors on the Sunday morning news programs and they all said if we all would follow the above instructions we would see the number of new infections nose dive. It is really quite simple. Follow the science and in a few months we can start returning to normal. In short, do not listen to anyone wearing a red tie elected in a national election 3 1/2 years ago.
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