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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 13:17:41 GMT -6
" Paying a BSU coach more than a half million dollars not only doesn’t guarantee success, but sends a wrong message to our very strong academic school. "
I don't completely disagree that BSU may want to take a serious look at it's MAC affiliation sometime in the future. However the above comment from the attached Star Press letter is just asinine.
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Post by universityjim on Dec 30, 2015 13:27:57 GMT -6
"MAC football can't go on much longer at the pace it is setting for spending."
Why? And why the outrage over student fees subsidizing athletics? You buy a car with heated seats and air conditioning you pay for the heated seats no matter if you use them or not. You buy Ball State you buy the football team and the rest of athletics as well as all the nice flowers and bricked roads and other student activities and everything else that goes with it no matter if you use them or not. It's still a huge bargain over just about any other school, especially for in state students. Don't want to pay for the heated seats, buy another car.
Professors who write their own books and change them a little bit every semester so that kids have to buy new books for their class and then can't sell them back to the book store have impacted the cost of my kids education at Ball State far more than subsidizing the football team. Where is the outcry over that?
MAC football spends at a very reasonable and restrained rate. It's the rest of college football that is out of control.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 30, 2015 14:05:15 GMT -6
UJ, totally agree, especially with the textbook thing. My daughter has hundreds of dollars of books she can't sell back. With hundreds of dollars more to buy.
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Post by Bigfoot on Dec 30, 2015 16:44:01 GMT -6
"MAC football can't go on much longer at the pace it is setting for spending." Why? And why the outrage over student fees subsidizing athletics? You buy a car with heated seats and air conditioning you pay for the heated seats no matter if you use them or not. You buy Ball State you buy the football team and the rest of athletics as well as all the nice flowers and bricked roads and other student activities and everything else that goes with it no matter if you use them or not. It's still a huge bargain over just about any other school, especially for in state students. Don't want to pay for the heated seats, buy another car. Professors who write their own books and change them a little bit every semester so that kids have to buy new books for their class and then can't sell them back to the book store have impacted the cost of my kids education at Ball State far more than subsidizing the football team. Where is the outcry over that? MAC football spends at a very reasonable and restrained rate. It's the rest of college football that is out of control. Good perspective and I agree! |
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Post by proctorp on Dec 30, 2015 22:43:11 GMT -6
"MAC football spends at a very reasonable and restrained rate. It's the rest of college football that is out of control."
Are you serious? I know Eastern has spent 8 million in a gray field and multi-schemed uniforms in the past four years alone. Show me the restraint or the reasonable spending by MAC football? I think the league is about to be seeking the last chase lounge chairs on the ship known as Titanic very soon. IMO this is a good time for BSU to seriously relook at the expenditures on D1 football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 5:41:24 GMT -6
"MAC football spends at a very reasonable and restrained rate. It's the rest of college football that is out of control."
Really, that's odd because a lot those schools make money on football.
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Post by cedarpointer on Dec 31, 2015 6:12:41 GMT -6
Great job UJ!! Well stated.
I dont even know why some of you guys are bringing this up.. It is a "package deal" if you want to go to a school without athletics, there is always Ivy Tech.
The MAC is a very strong and old conference its not going anywhere. BSU does fine in regards to attendance when we have a winning team on the field. I dont always look at or care at the "official" numbers. There have been plenty of games where there is a strong crowd and box score shows only 11k..... I dont buy it. On the flip side, the midweek Nov games when there is 25 people and it is announced 5k, it loses credibility to me.
As an alum, season ticket holder and cvc member, my dissapointment is with the number of midweek games and the BS parking situations from week to week in the tailgate lots. I travel to a fair share of road games and have been to every bowl game since 2007 and I can say that our stadium is pretty nice compared to some others.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 31, 2015 9:18:12 GMT -6
"MAC football can't go on much longer at the pace it is setting for spending." Why? And why the outrage over student fees subsidizing athletics? You buy a car with heated seats and air conditioning you pay for the heated seats no matter if you use them or not. You buy Ball State you buy the football team and the rest of athletics as well as all the nice flowers and bricked roads and other student activities and everything else that goes with it no matter if you use them or not. It's still a huge bargain over just about any other school, especially for in state students. Don't want to pay for the heated seats, buy another car. Professors who write their own books and change them a little bit every semester so that kids have to buy new books for their class and then can't sell them back to the book store have impacted the cost of my kids education at Ball State far more than subsidizing the football team. Where is the outcry over that? MAC football spends at a very reasonable and restrained rate. It's the rest of college football that is out of control. I agree the cost of doing business in a major university includes some expense of a sports program. But, I have to quarrel with some of your logic. Book costs seem a bit more closely related to education than a seat in the stadium you don't use. And while the comparison to landscaping may indeed be relevant to identify the cosmetic reasons for spending money and be much like paying for a football team, there is a significant difference in expense and utility. All students on campus actually use the bricked roads and do see the landscaping. The head groundskeeper isn't the second highest paid university employee. Roads need to be worked on (most of the expense on those roads necessary). Auto and pedestrian traffic on campus is safer than before the expenditure on medians slowing traffic through campus. We would not have saved as much money leaving out the bricks and flowers as spent on renovation of the football facilities. So, a beautiful campus attracts students and pleases the donor base, like a football may also do, but I am not at all sure a football team does as much. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 31, 2015 9:23:21 GMT -6
"MAC football spends at a very reasonable and restrained rate. It's the rest of college football that is out of control." Really, that's odd because a lot those schools make money on football. Good point. But, it's worse than that, not that many make money. But they do generate lots of revenue which we do not. The MAC deficit is greater than most high division one schools, we are not drinking campaign on a beer budget exactly either, so we aren't even enjoying the high, or the prestige. Cost to benefit is the question mark here. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 10:10:46 GMT -6
" Paying a BSU coach more than a half million dollars not only doesn’t guarantee success, but sends a wrong message to our very strong academic school. " I don't completely disagree that BSU may want to take a serious look at it's MAC affiliation sometime in the future. However the above comment from the attached Star Press letter is just asinine. Comments from Rich Harris on this topic are like clockwork. A very strong academic school?? Hmm... U.S. News & World Report has us ranked 168th, in a tie with those other "strong academic schools" like Texas Tech, Louisville, Central Florida and Idaho. When you are 168th, you try to find ways to differentiate yourself. Louisville and Central Florida have chosen athletics to help raise their national exposure. I would not recommend getting into a spending binge like Louisville or UCF. We do not draw crowds from large metro areas like Louisville or Orlando. Frankly, we do not do a good job marketing the program in Indy or Fort Wayne. We do not go about promotion in a productive way. U.S. News & World Report |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 10:21:43 GMT -6
"MAC football spends at a very reasonable and restrained rate. It's the rest of college football that is out of control." Really, that's odd because a lot those schools make money on football. Good point. But, it's worse than that, not that many make money. But they do generate lots of revenue which we do not. The MAC deficit is greater than most high division one schools, we are not drinking campaign on a beer budget exactly either, so we aren't even enjoying the high, or the prestige. Cost to benefit is the question mark here. Look, I agree. However you can't claim the MAC's cost structure is reasonable when they are in far worse financial shape than the majority of other FBS football conferences. From an institutional bang for the buck perspective Mac football is a disaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 10:33:29 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Dec 31, 2015 11:20:28 GMT -6
Why did that even become a story? We were joking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 11:42:30 GMT -6
I think taking a bunch of tweets and making a story from them is the stupid part. It's Twitter for heaven's sake.
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Post by bsubigboy on Dec 31, 2015 12:03:47 GMT -6
I think taking a bunch of tweets and making a story from them is the stupid part. It's Twitter for heaven's sake. Slow sports day and or bored. Making a story out of a non-story. Imagine that. |
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