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Post by bsutony on Dec 5, 2020 8:27:02 GMT -6
I love how one of the false claims by the "fact checkers" was that they weren't suitcases. As if that was the real issue here. It turns out that suitcases look very similar to ballet containers.They claim things are false by the tiniest of technicalities.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 5, 2020 8:39:30 GMT -6
The observers were told that ballot counting was done for the day, and that they would start up again the next day. The observers left for the evening, while some of the poll workers pulled the cases full of ballots and continued to count "votes". While the observers were not dismissed, they were mislead. It is illegal to tally votes without observers having access to the tally process. Read the linked story.
This was investigated by Georgia GOP election officials who supported Trump.
GOP Officials who investigated this said that there was never an instruction for observers to leave, and that there were no suitcases full of ballots. The bins in the video were standard ballot containers, and the footage shows what officials described as the normal tabulation process.
In reality, the ballots had been removed from their envelopes and processed while news media personnel and observers were still in the room. Nobody was ever told to leave.
If it appears some observers exited after the election workers responsible for opening the envelopes and verifying the ballots had finished their job and started taking off for the night, that and the video of what followed shows no evidence of fraud.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 5, 2020 8:56:25 GMT -6
I love how one of the false claims by the "fact checkers" was that they weren't suitcases. As if that was the real issue here. It turns out that suitcases look very similar to ballet containers.They claim things are false by the tiniest of technicalities. Who is relying on technicality here? Thousands of voters were denied the right to vote on technicality in the registration process. Most committing good faith error. Vote suppression favoring the GOP on the basis of technicality is where this election in Georgia started!
THIS lawsuit Rudy is pursuing seeks to throw out ALL the mail in votes, on a "technicality!"
Not that there was proof of widespread fraud that would actually change the result, but that there were some few cases of mistaken election procedure. POSSIBLE fraud. MIGHT if it were widespread change the result.
Get real. Let's suppose as is almost certainly true, elections are subject to human error. Suppose we are 100% sure that some number of election procedures were imperfect or imperfectly followed. It remains that supposing such errors are systematic and large scale is extremely remote possibility.
Consider this. After great effort and apparently millions of dollars raised to review the process, this video is the best Rudy has? His "smoking gun?"
The worst case interpretation of the evidence here is that some observers left. But. Not before the work was done.
Or, are you serious to propose that observers could prevent votes being counted by just leaving the room and refusing to observe? And that this justifies throwing out the whole election?
YOU criticize the Georgia GOP professionals about a "technicality?"
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Post by bsutony on Dec 5, 2020 9:19:33 GMT -6
I love how one of the false claims by the "fact checkers" was that they weren't suitcases. As if that was the real issue here. It turns out that suitcases look very similar to ballet containers.They claim things are false by the tiniest of technicalities. Who is relying on technicality here? Thousands of voters were denied the right to vote on technicality in the registration process. Most committing good faith error. Vote suppression favoring the GOP on the basis of technicality is where this election in Georgia started!
THIS lawsuit Rudy is pursuing seeks to throw out ALL the mail in votes, on a "technicality!"
Not that there was proof of widespread fraud that would actually change the result, but that there were some few cases of mistaken election procedure. POSSIBLE fraud. MIGHT if it were widespread change the result.
Get real. Let's suppose as is almost certainly true, elections are subject to human error. Suppose we are 100% sure that some number of election procedures were imperfect or imperfectly followed. It remains that supposing such errors are systematic and large scale is extremely remote possibility.
Consider this. After great effort and apparently millions of dollars raised to review the process, this video is the best Rudy has? His "smoking gun?"
The worst case interpretation of the evidence here is that some observers left. But. Not before the work was done.
Or, are you serious to propose that observers could prevent votes being counted by just leaving the room and refusing to observe? And that this justifies throwing out the whole election?
YOU criticize the Georgia GOP professionals about a "technicality?"
Poll workers were told to close up, then after the fact they told them to continue counting. Watch the video. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 5, 2020 12:09:39 GMT -6
Who is relying on technicality here?
Consider this. After great effort and apparently millions of dollars raised to review the process, this video is the best Rudy has? His "smoking gun?"
Poll workers were told to close up, then after the fact they told them to continue counting. Watch the video. The count was accurate. A manual recount, and a machine recount. What was wrong with the count?
The worst case interpretation of the evidence here is that some observers left, not ordered to leave. Not before the work which could have been fraud or mistake on a small scale was done.
This was investigated by Georgia GOP election officials who supported Trump.
Ballots had been removed from their envelopes and processed while news media personnel and observers were still in the room. Nobody was ever told to leave....and the video of what followed shows no evidence of fraud.
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Post by bsutrack on Dec 6, 2020 2:27:54 GMT -6
C'mon guys. These contested elections were run mostly by Republicans. Florida and Arizona have long had mail in ballots. Not a nickel's difference in how the states all do this. The very fact there is video shows safety measures are adequate to prevent large scale fraud. Republicans didn't run the polling centers in Detroit, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Phoenix, Atlanta, etc. That's were the ballot stuffing occurred. The Democrats have an extreme advantage as it's impossible to hide say 50,000 manufactured ballets in a rural country, but can be easily done in a major metropolitan area. The reoccurring pattern in these major metropolitan areas were Republican pole watchers being obstructed. Here for example were how Republican pole watchers in Detroit were treated. www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/video-detroit-election-workers-cheer-gop-election-monitor-gop-lawyer-removed-tcf-center/In happened more or less the same in Philadelphia, Phoenix, etc. Often Covid-19 was used as an excuse to keep Republican poll watchers far enough away (sometimes as much as 100 feet) from where ballots were being counted. Bottom line, if you have nothing to hide, you should encourage pole watchers of the opposite party to observe. Not doing so probably means you are doing something you don't want seen. My guess is the folks in Atlanta failed to realize there was a surveillance camera filming them. In other Democrat controlled cities they were bright enough not to get filmed in the act, or the film was disposed of before some whistleblower could access it. |
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Post by bsutrack on Dec 6, 2020 2:50:30 GMT -6
I just can't figure out how Trump ever got elected four years ago. That well-oiled Democrat voter fraud machine must have taken that election cycle off. Frankly I'm surprised they stopped at the presidency this year and didn't take Congress, too. Maybe they didn't want to be too obvious about it. I mean I guess it would get pretty suspicious if everyone in the cemetery was voting straight ticket Democrat. I don't think they took him seriously. They didn't make the same mistake twice. They also didn't have Covid-19 and the resulting flood of mail-in ballots to exploit. Voting in person is much harder to abuse. That is until they get rid of voter ID laws which is always a Democratic objective. And they still have a change at taking Congress. Just got to steal those two Georgia Senate run-off elections. Still lots of tombstones to exploit before January 5th. Oh well, it will be fun watching the mental decline of Joe Biden over the next 4 years. If he makes it that long. He has always been a walking gaffe machine even when he had all his mental facilities. He will not be able to hide in his basement anymore after January 20th. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2020 18:06:58 GMT -6
Our Commander in Chief in the war on the virus not doing well.
2400 or so die at Pearl Harbor.
We will lose that many every day for the last 50 days of Trump's way.
Anybody hear of anything the guy is doing while this happens?
Current rumor, he goes to Mar a Lago for Christmas early, just stays there.
Who could believe running government could be so hard?
Who is hiding from his job?
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Post by cardfan on Dec 7, 2020 18:26:54 GMT -6
Can someone explain how All the ballots with republican down ballot winners are ok, but the votes for Biden ON THOSE SAME BALLOTS are illegal? I mean, the GOP tried to throw the baby out with the bath water in Pennsylvania by trying to get all 7 million votes thrown out which would have nullified any Republican winners too.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2020 19:41:37 GMT -6
Can someone explain how All the ballots with republican down ballot winners are ok, but the votes for Biden ON THOSE SAME BALLOTS are illegal? I mean, the GOP tried to throw the baby out with the bath water in Pennsylvania by trying to get all 7 million votes thrown out which would have nullified any Republican winners too. These are appeals for Donald. Do you think he really cares about anyone else very much?
But I do think the down ballot GOP would hold its own. Lots of the moderate GOP votes lost, but more Democrat. |
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Dec 7, 2020 22:01:20 GMT -6
I'm not sure what's funnier, Trump calling the Speaker of the House for both Pennsylvania and Michigan trying to get them to change their electors (how is that even legal, by the way?), or still trying to claim he won Georgia when two recounts and an audit say otherwise.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Dec 7, 2020 22:08:17 GMT -6
I'm not sure what's funnier, Trump calling the Speaker of the House for both Pennsylvania and Michigan trying to get them to change their electors (how is that even legal, by the way?), or still trying to claim he won Georgia when two recounts and an audit say otherwise. States get to choose how electors are elected. |
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Post by cardfan on Dec 7, 2020 22:40:39 GMT -6
In 48 of 50 states, state law mandates the winner of the popular vote in those states receive each state’s electoral college votes. State legislators can change how they select electors, but most likely not retroactively. And, states would be loathe to have electors who’ve pledged to vote for the winner of that state to go against the will of the people.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 8, 2020 6:22:54 GMT -6
I'm not sure what's funnier, Trump calling the Speaker of the House for both Pennsylvania and Michigan trying to get them to change their electors (how is that even legal, by the way?), or still trying to claim he won Georgia when two recounts and an audit say otherwise. States get to choose how electors are elected. A little late in the game to change that chosen method isn't it? You think ex post facto change once a method is chosen was Constitutional intent? That the Wisconsin legislature intended to reserve a veto when they designated popular vote? |
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Post by cardfan on Dec 8, 2020 7:41:39 GMT -6
They can vote to change it for next year but not this year. They are bound by state law.
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