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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2020 9:07:42 GMT -6
There has been harping since 2016 though. It was designed to favor small states in population. It's reality. Has an odd history as we often added or not added states with that in mind. Not sure it can be defended, but it's not going away. Nor should it. Its an ingenious device to give less-populated states a voice in our federal government. I wish they had explained it better in school. I think the Senate/House bicameral legislature does that to a greater extent.
The Presidency obviously also important, but there are issues with the electoral college being selected by state legislature rather than popular vote which should be addressed. Theoretically the legislature could decide NOT to have the popular vote count. Especially in a heavily gerrymandered case the legislature could be a majority one party, with popular vote the other way. The original theory was that the population was mostly ignorant and uniformed so they would choose legislators (who knows how they would do that).
That also meant of course that in the slave states that population would count for electoral votes but not have any voice. To that small degree it was a slight slave state bonus. That is archaic.
So I am not sure we could not improve the system and keep electoral votes to give that small state voice, but fix those problems.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2020 9:08:22 GMT -6
Also, if your favorite site starts going on about how the electoral college system needs to be changed....consider that a tell. Have not seen that. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2020 9:11:43 GMT -6
Let me tell you right now what your favorite political sites will be telling you all day, and well into the evening. about your favorite candidate's chances: "He's doing great and has a wide open path to victory."
If and when you start seeing increasing references to how the opponents are cheating, you'll then know your candidate is in trouble We saw that out of the WH when the President had a temper tantrum early in the morning. And he was winning! So he wanted to stop the vote count. I really don't get that part. Notably, the GOP set up PA so they could not count until Tuesday, and in 9 counties could not count until Wednesday. So if we stopped the count early, we would inevitably exclude votes that were quite legal and it would be a catch 22 for anybody in 9 counties who voted by mail That would be wrong. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2020 9:13:08 GMT -6
Some of you may appreciate the significance of the behavior of the Dow Jones the last few days. Of course at opening bell today, with Biden trending, the market is up... |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2020 9:23:06 GMT -6
The Chinese yaun tonight. Three guesses what this means.  That is far to simplistic, and at most partially true to infer China is hurt so that is good for us.
The question here is about a Trump trade war which hurts China, but also hurts us in terms of disrupting the supply chain and raising consumer prices. Most economists and most GOP business people oppose the trade war. The GOP is a free trade party historically for good reason.
Buyers in America pay that tariff, which does mean that imports are more expensive and decline in volume. That decline in volume hurts China unless they find other markets.
Meanwhile of course they retaliate and our exporters are hurt to the extent they send goods(agricultural for example) to China. Trump has subsidized the farmers hurt but then that means taxpayers pay for the subsidy.
Also other noise in that signal. The US election wasn't the only factor that rattled the Chinese currency. Chinese officials have also just brought Ant Group's record-breaking IPO to a stunning halt. That increases uncertainty surrounding Chinese investment, according to Lorraine Tan, director of Asia equity research at Morningstar.
The juan is a long way from a stable currency which rivals the dollar on any count.
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Post by villagepub on Nov 4, 2020 10:49:43 GMT -6
The Chinese yaun tonight. Three guesses what this means. That is far to simplistic, and at most partially true to infer China is hurt so that is good for us.
Yes. Be more complex, meander with your message, and introduce several tangents or deflections. That's how you post! |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2020 11:18:26 GMT -6
That is far to simplistic, and at most partially true to infer China is hurt so that is good for us.
Yes. Be more complex, meander with your message, and introduce several tangents or deflections. That's how you post! You want simple answers to complex economics? How? It's not deflection to point out multiple reasons a statement is wrong and explain why. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 4, 2020 17:32:18 GMT -6
This is going to be so incredibly tiresome as boneheads on both sides yammer on about how the vote should/shouldn't be counted. They will just be simply regurgitating whatever they are told from their favorite radio/tv/internet sources. And you KNOW with 100% certainty that if the vote situation were reversed, they would be vomiting up the same talking points that their enemies are currently using.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 5, 2020 7:13:06 GMT -6
A lot of "interesting" stuff coming out. Such as more votes in Milwaukee districts than registered voters. And the PA SC actually REWROTE a law (instead of just striking it down) that required matching signatures on mail-in ballots to negate it. In case you flunked civics class in high school, the courts don't write laws, they just interpret them; the legislature writes laws.
We're like a third world country when it comes to elections. And rioting.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 5, 2020 8:45:36 GMT -6
A lot of "interesting" stuff coming out. Such as more votes in Milwaukee districts than registered voters. And the PA SC actually REWROTE a law (instead of just striking it down) that required matching signatures on mail-in ballots to negate it. Fact check,
Wisconsin is one of 19 states (along with the District of Columbia) that allow same-day voter registration. That means the correct comparison is tio include those eligible voters, not previously registered ones.
As for the second argument, the Supreme Ct has the power to rule on this. Close vote, could argue either side, but it's quite reasonable that the Court interpret the law in such a way for the clear intent of the legislature to allow mail in votes to be constitutional rather than throw the law out as unsconstitutional. Had they said flat out the law was unconstitutional they'd arguably have had to throw out the law entirely. Although that is also their call...
Interpretation is not rewriting the law. Here the court is say the language is not literal and narrowly interpreted and that there is an implicit flexibility in the language that is essential for open-ended guarantees of “free and equal” elections and “free exercise of the right of suffrage” which is definitely Pa Law. Higher law under the constitution.
Throwing the law out after voting is started under rules created by the election authorities following the law to allow mail in votes would dis-enfranchise a very large number of voters. This case is not so simple.
It is routine in election law to extend voting hours when there are power outages. Routine that people in line to vote are allowed to vote after the time to close polls. This mail in treatment is an extension of those practices occasioned by extraordinary circumstances.
There is no evidence it contributes to fraud.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 5, 2020 11:06:28 GMT -6
A law is either unconstitutional or it's not. The court's job is to either uphold it or strike it down. That's as far as the interpretation goes. They don't get to change the law to make it constitutional.
Same day voter registration invites fraud. How can there be any vetting when the rules are so lax? It's like not needing ID to vote, who knows if a person is who they say they are?
Then you have ballots being "found", tallies being stopped before they're done, and other oddities. This happens every election. We're the most advanced nation on the planet, and we still have issues on something as simple as counting.
We still have Nevada with only 75% of the count done. What the hell is going on out there?
It's just maddening.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 5, 2020 13:50:41 GMT -6
A law is either unconstitutional or it's not. The court's job is to either uphold it or strike it down. That's as far as the interpretation goes. That is just not true. The Court as the highest court in PA has the responsibility of saying what the statute means. Once they decide what it says they could strike it down. If there are two ways to look at it, they could conceivably explain the specific meaning in a case, commonly they decide whether the interpretation of a lower court was correct, or not. It is quite ordinary that courts say the law was not applied correctly. It is not "changing" it at all, ibut simply interpreting the law.
Statutory interpretation is something courts do every day. VERY few statutes are completely and perfectly written and that's fine, courts solve that problem routinely.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Nov 5, 2020 17:55:20 GMT -6
We still have Nevada with only 75% of the count done. What the hell is going on out there? It's just maddening. Their final tally probably won't be close to 100%. Nevada mailed a ballot to every registered voter, and some of those people won't vote. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 5, 2020 18:39:44 GMT -6
This is a state Trump wants votes counted.
Those Nevada folks are more honest than the Philly voters I guess.
Counting OK when out West. Vegas a very moral city.
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Post by bsutrack on Nov 5, 2020 21:47:47 GMT -6
Yea those Philly Democrats in some cases wouldn't allow Republican poll watches in to watch the vote count, while in other cases when allowed in they were kept over 100 feet from the counting area making it impossible to see what was happening. What do you think that was all about? They finally got a court order that allowed them within 6 feet (Covid-19 concerns I guess), but by then it was too late.
Poll watchers of the opposite party is long time accepted practice. Not allowing it is a sure sign you are stealing an election.
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