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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 9:48:02 GMT -6
You want the politics of the Old South in Georgia 50 years ago, you have to accept the economy of 50 years ago which isn't viable.
Prosperity has been a blessing to Georgia. The growth in the suburbs is the inevitable result of bringing in higher paying jobs in national headquarters of business, expanded high tech manufacturing, and finance jobs.
Yes you are right here, but without the acknowledgment that it was most likely conservative economic principles and regulations, or lack of, which attracted said companies in the first place... Sure. At least in part that is true. Lack of government in early days with low taxes and tax subsidy was no doubt important.
But the growth of the big city, with higher taxes accompanying it, was actually a big story in Atlanta. Growth in finance, transportation, communication and other high tech as manufacturing is a bit different. Not regulation but environment to attract workers. You don't get high tech moving to the cities in the North which were formerly industrial, now wasteland. They go where things are new and communities have good schools and parks and so on.
Manufacturing that was more labor intensive benefited from the state labor law, and much of that outside the Atlanta area. Right to Work had a big impact. Now that is the norm across the country. Land use regulation, zoning was a plus, but that was also a function of a lot of undeveloped land, and agricultural use declining independent of regulation. State regulation in other areas more often not greatly different in Ga. than anywhere else.
And to attract those professionals and educated workers that "old time Georgia politics" had to change.
If you go back the '64 Civil Rights Act, it ended up being very good for Georgia economically. It meant painful change in Old Georgia since the Heart of Atlanta case but it has been very much a net positive.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 9:55:04 GMT -6
Ultimately the part that I continue to find interesting is the absolute explosion of left leaning people and companies fleeing blue states due to tax and regulations, going to red company friendly states, and then electing leaders which will lead to the exact same situations they were running from in the first place... Yep. Those companies come to red states with employees who want to remain liberal, and then demand the red state change how it does things. There's a reason why those red states were successful. Happening in Texas and Idaho from personal experience. Texas a big story there. Companies like moving where labor and land are cheap. Workers often will go where the jobs are, too! Especially if no jobs where they are!
Manufacturing jobs have migrated to company friendly states.
But even high tech workers with high income like moving to low tax states. OTOH, they also want schools and roads and other amenities that produce change and then that means they get higher taxes...
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Nov 9, 2020 9:56:55 GMT -6
So what comes first the labor or the company?
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Post by villagepub on Nov 9, 2020 11:06:28 GMT -6
Yep. Those companies come to red states with employees who want to remain liberal, and then demand the red state change how it does things. There's a reason why those red states were successful. Happening in Texas and Idaho from personal experience. Texas a big story there. Companies like moving where labor and land are cheap. Workers often will go where the jobs are, too! Especially if no jobs where they are!
Manufacturing jobs have migrated to company friendly states.
But even high tech workers with high income like moving to low tax states. OTOH, they also want schools and roads and other amenities that produce change and then that means they get higher taxes...
No. They actually are culturally changing things to the way it was from where they came, just creating the same f'ing mess that they moved from. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 11:19:16 GMT -6
So what comes first the labor or the company? In high tech and professional jobs you'll see the companies reluctant to locate somewhere their prospective employees will not be excited living. Those prospects have more choices. Companies not only want to attract the best, but retain them.
In many manufacturing cases the company can find employees in the state with favorable regulation even if it means low wages for prospective employees. Those prospects often do not have as much alternative and therefore have less bargaining power.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 11:24:54 GMT -6
Texas a big story there. Companies like moving where labor and land are cheap. Workers often will go where the jobs are, too! Especially if no jobs where they are!
Manufacturing jobs have migrated to company friendly states.
But even high tech workers with high income like moving to low tax states. OTOH, they also want schools and roads and other amenities that produce change and then that means they get higher taxes...
No. They actually are culturally changing things to the way it was from where they came, just creating the same f'ing mess that they moved from. More a case of you can't always get everything you want. No free lunch. Want low taxes, also want government services and infrastructure? Can't have both.
Plus if you move where it is going to grow, and growth happens, suddenly you need more new roads, sewers,schools, parks, etc.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 19:27:15 GMT -6
OK.
What's the deal with Trump and transition?
If he wants to fight in court, that's part of the system.
But locking the Biden transition out of the building is separate question.
Why not proceed with a transition? If the courts rule in his favor, no harm.
If courts do not rule that way, this cripples the national government that has to function well January 21. At least let defense, FBI, homeland security, treasury and important agencies be ready to function?
It's hard to transition.
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 9, 2020 20:09:23 GMT -6
Texas a big story there. Companies like moving where labor and land are cheap. Workers often will go where the jobs are, too! Especially if no jobs where they are!
Manufacturing jobs have migrated to company friendly states.
But even high tech workers with high income like moving to low tax states. OTOH, they also want schools and roads and other amenities that produce change and then that means they get higher taxes...
No. They actually are culturally changing things to the way it was from where they came, just creating the same f'ing mess that they moved from. Companies might move for a friendlier business climate. Employees just move to keep their jobs. They'd likely be just as happy staying where they were, so why shouldn't they want their new home to be as appealing to them as their old home? It's not their fault that their employer moved their job. As for who's to blame in this scenario: Is it the company that seeks out another location or the state that welcomes the company in? The state is just as greedy as the company. It doesn't have to make itself appealing to business, but they all try as much as they can to do just that. Every state wants all the jobs it can get. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 21:09:27 GMT -6
Let me tell you right now what your favorite political sites will be telling you all day, and well into the evening. about your favorite candidate's chances: "He's doing great and has a wide open path to victory."
If and when you start seeing increasing references to how the opponents are cheating, you'll then know your candidate is in trouble. Back to the first post in the thread.
Also true when the candidate is saying that after the election, except worse. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 21:17:16 GMT -6
Some of you may appreciate the significance of the behavior of the Dow Jones the last few days. I notice the stock market is up today. Once again you may have called the truth way ahead of time. I did not get it then.
Tidy profit in 5 days if we had followed your advice about reading the tea leaves.
Since Nov 3 close at 4:00 when you were making your observation above, 27470 to today's close 29160.
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Post by halftime on Nov 9, 2020 21:50:37 GMT -6
No. They actually are culturally changing things to the way it was from where they came, just creating the same f'ing mess that they moved from. No free lunch. Want low taxes, also want government services and infrastructure? Can't have both.
Oh yeah, New York, metro LA, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Louisville, and Baltimore all have no serious infrastructure problems and wonderfully efficient government services. What world do you live in ? These cities all have extremely high property and local sales tax rates. |
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Post by halftime on Nov 9, 2020 21:55:28 GMT -6
Some of you may appreciate the significance of the behavior of the Dow Jones the last few days. I notice the stock market is up today. Once again you may have called the truth way ahead of time. I did not get it then.
Tidy profit in 5 days if we had followed your advice about reading the tea leaves.
Since Nov 3 close at 4:00 when you were making your observation above, 27470 to today's close 29160.
hey moron futures were slightly down this AM until Phizer announced extremely positive news about their Coved 19 vaccine that should be distributed no later than Janurary. Sheesh you just have no clue. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 22:08:32 GMT -6
I notice the stock market is up today. Once again you may have called the truth way ahead of time. I did not get it then.
Tidy profit in 5 days if we had followed your advice about reading the tea leaves.
Since Nov 3 close at 4:00 when you were making your observation above, 27470 to today's close 29160.
hey moron futures were slightly down this AM until Phizer announced announced extremely positive news about their Coved 19 vaccine that should be distributed no later than Janurary. Sheesh you just have no clue. I believe the General's original point was that Trump narrowing the gap explained a gain going into election day, but of course the gain of 800 points before today was probably not due to Trump momentum.
In any case I wish I had foreseen this market surge he predicted, whatever his reasons.
I assume you mean tht distribution of the vaccine may get started by January. It is extremely unlikely it is distributed to most of the population willing to ve vaccinated before March. It takes two doses, weeks apart, and has to be distributed at -104F which many states are not sure how they can do that. Promises to be a real feat to get it out quickly and unlikely to have as much impact as we all hope it does. It is very important for next year's "flu season."
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2020 22:14:24 GMT -6
No free lunch. Want low taxes, also want government services and infrastructure? Can't have both. Oh yeah, New York, metro LA, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Louisville, and Baltimore all have no serious infrastructure problems and wonderfully efficient government services. What world do you live in ? These cities all have extremely high property and local sales tax rates. Not sure what your point is. You really think there is a city out there that provides services without taxes?
All those cities mentioned certainly have high tax burden. All provide a lot of services, plus most are old cities with old infrastructure which needs investment. So they will continue to have high taxes.
I live in a world where people want services and have to pay for them. Where do you live where you get a free lunch?
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Post by halftime on Nov 9, 2020 22:44:36 GMT -6
Oh yeah, New York, metro LA, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Detroit, Louisville, and Baltimore all have no serious infrastructure problems and wonderfully efficient government services. What world do you live in ? These cities all have extremely high property and local sales tax rates. You really think there is a city out there that provides services without taxes?
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