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Post by bsutrack on Nov 5, 2020 22:09:50 GMT -6
This is a state Trump wants votes counted. Those Nevada folks are more honest than the Philly voters I guess. Counting OK when out West. Vegas a very moral city. Here's an interesting article for you to comment on: www.zerohedge.com/political/why-does-biden-have-so-many-more-votes-democrat-senators-swing-statesSo on the face of it, many voters hated Trump so much they just voted against Trump and then didn't bother to vote for the rest of the ticket. Maybe, but why did it only happen in swing states? |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 6, 2020 7:19:12 GMT -6
And now Biden leads in Georgia.
Seriously, in GEORGIA.
I don't buy that for a second.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 6, 2020 7:52:37 GMT -6
And now Biden leads in Georgia. Seriously, in GEORGIA. I don't buy that for a second. Why? Every forecast called Georgia to be a competitive race.
Georgia is a state that is changing rapidly. The last two elections 2016 and 2018 have reflected that change.
GOP has engaged in very great effort in the state to make voting and registration hard, but Stacey Abrams and the Democrats has offset that with years of work. Abrams has been a big story in Georgia
The big turnaround since the polls closed is not as big a surprise as it may look, and not any evidence of fraud at all. Mail ballots are counted last, Democrats voted heavily by mail since they actually believed Covid was a crisis and it avoided many of the barriers created to make voting in urban areas in Georgia difficult with long lines.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 6, 2020 8:37:25 GMT -6
This is a state Trump wants votes counted. Those Nevada folks are more honest than the Philly voters I guess. Counting OK when out West. Vegas a very moral city. Here's an interesting article for you to comment on: www.zerohedge.com/political/why-does-biden-have-so-many-more-votes-democrat-senators-swing-statesSo on the face of it, many voters hated Trump so much they just voted against Trump and then didn't bother to vote for the rest of the ticket. Maybe, but why did it only happen in swing states? Article not really very interesting . If the generalization the article makes about swing states is true it is not so surprising.
Think what you are saying. In solid GOP states there are not so many Trump haters relative to the population, plus many more populist voters who like Trump, and not much motivation for Never Trump to go to the polls where their vote hardly likely to make a difference. They know they can make a difference in the swing states, which are after all generally less hard core conservative GOP to start with.
Probably my first comment shoud be that zerohedge has too many conspiracy theory stories. Lacks credibility for that reason to start with.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 6, 2020 9:10:12 GMT -6
Yea those Philly Democrats in some cases wouldn't allow Republican poll watches in to watch the vote count, while in other cases when allowed in they were kept over 100 feet from the counting area making it impossible to see what was happening. What do you think that was all about? They finally got a court order that allowed them within 6 feet (Covid-19 concerns I guess), but by then it was too late. That is dubious.
The vote count is observed and monitored by both parties and an independent. It's a good system, where the volume of work being done is very big. The system allowed watchers at 10ft. Not 100ft. The court ordered the distance cut from 10ft. to 6ft.
At the worst there were perhaps a very few isolated cases of controversy about watching the count, that this was significant was rejected.
In this and other legal actions Trump has managed to delay the count for hours and then complains about that delay...
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Nov 6, 2020 11:20:05 GMT -6
And now Biden leads in Georgia. Seriously, in GEORGIA. I don't buy that for a second. Georgia and Arizona were considered battleground states by all the major networks, and there were polls in the weeks leading up to the election that showed either or both of them leaning Democratic. This isn't too surprising to anyone who followed this stuff and wasn't completely dismissive of polls "cuz look what happened 4 years ago." |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 6, 2020 11:45:30 GMT -6
Have you ever been to Georgia? It's been a pretty red state for the past 50 years. You have to go back to 1992 for it to go blue for President.
Although it may be turning into another state that gets dominated by the one big city, like Illinois with Chicago.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Nov 6, 2020 15:14:11 GMT -6
There was a time when California was red and Texas was blue.
Things change.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 6, 2020 18:04:22 GMT -6
Have you ever been to Georgia? It's been a pretty red state for the past 50 years. You have to go back to 1992 for it to go blue for President. Although it may be turning into another state that gets dominated by the one big city, like Illinois with Chicago. People in big cities count. The country has had people moving from rural to urban living for maybe 200 years. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 8, 2020 10:19:39 GMT -6
Have you ever been to Georgia? It's been a pretty red state for the past 50 years. You have to go back to 1992 for it to go blue for President. Although it may be turning into another state that gets dominated by the one big city, like Illinois with Chicago. You want the politics of the Old South in Georgia 50 years ago, you have to accept the economy of 50 years ago which isn't viable.
Prosperity has been a blessing to Georgia. The growth in the suburbs is the inevitable result of bringing in higher paying jobs in national headquarters of business, expanded high tech manufacturing, and finance jobs.
All that fuels construction and service sector jobs. It results in expanded tax base which builds infrastructure in Atlanta area, which in turn attracts more people. Economic development comes in large part by making communities more attractive to those high income employees, improving education, and living conditions. People growing up in the rural areas can't find jobs in a shrinking employment market in agriculture and move to the city.
If you want Georgia to stay rural and small town agricultural economy it means low income. Those remote small towns everywhere in America are shrinking for the same reason. No jobs. No growth. Agriculture automated and large scale, not family farm. The red states are going to see the same thing happen all across the country, where a tiny town out West 100 miles from a Walmart, a good restaurant, doctors and hospitals, just won't attract new people and keep kids who grow up there.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 8, 2020 18:21:35 GMT -6
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Nov 9, 2020 8:52:11 GMT -6
Have you ever been to Georgia? It's been a pretty red state for the past 50 years. You have to go back to 1992 for it to go blue for President. Although it may be turning into another state that gets dominated by the one big city, like Illinois with Chicago. You want the politics of the Old South in Georgia 50 years ago, you have to accept the economy of 50 years ago which isn't viable.
Prosperity has been a blessing to Georgia. The growth in the suburbs is the inevitable result of bringing in higher paying jobs in national headquarters of business, expanded high tech manufacturing, and finance jobs.
All that fuels construction and service sector jobs. It results in expanded tax base which builds infrastructure in Atlanta area, which in turn attracts more people. Economic development comes in large part by making communities more attractive to those high income employees, improving education, and living conditions. People growing up in the rural areas can't find jobs in a shrinking employment market in agriculture and move to the city.
If you want Georgia to stay rural and small town agricultural economy it means low income. Those remote small towns everywhere in America are shrinking for the same reason. No jobs. No growth. Agriculture automated and large scale, not family farm. The red states are going to see the same thing happen all across the country, where a tiny town out West 100 miles from a Walmart, a good restaurant, doctors and hospitals, just won't attract new people and keep kids who grow up there.
Yes you are right here, but without the acknowledgment that it was most likely conservative economic principles and regulations, or lack of, which attracted said companies in the first place... |
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Nov 9, 2020 8:55:27 GMT -6
Ultimately the part that I continue to find interesting is the absolute explosion of left leaning people and companies fleeing blue states due to tax and regulations, going to red company friendly states, and then electing leaders which will lead to the exact same situations they were running from in the first place...
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Post by villagepub on Nov 9, 2020 9:06:07 GMT -6
Ultimately the part that I continue to find interesting is the absolute explosion of left leaning people and companies fleeing blue states due to tax and regulations, going to red company friendly states, and then electing leaders which will lead to the exact same situations they were running from in the first place... Yep. Those companies come to red states with employees who want to remain liberal, and then demand the red state change how it does things. There's a reason why those red states were successful. Happening in Texas and Idaho from personal experience. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 9, 2020 9:47:02 GMT -6
I was on a call a couple weeks ago with a solidly-left guy living in California. He said he was wanting to move because cost of living and taxes are so high, so I told him to stay out of Indiana! I was only half-kidding.
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