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Post by villagepub on Dec 2, 2020 13:30:43 GMT -6
How a typical travel team is selected: First Five: 1. Child of Head Coach 2. Child of Assistant Coach #1 3. Child of Assistant Coach #2 4. Child of Team Manager 5. Child of Team Mom Second Five: 6-10 most likely the best five kids at the tryout. Last Five: 11. Child of an important contributor (Team Sponsor- Bankroll) 12. Child of Party Dad (Always brings the beer for the overnight trips) 13. Child least contributor (spirit of the team, hard worker, coaches pet, charity case) 14. Child of hottest mom remaining #1 15. Child of hottest mom remaining #2 And that is how a travel team is set.... baseball, basketball, hockey, volleyball... any sport you name it. The real fight is between the parents vying for spots 1-5.... A Central Indiana community's sports program was formulating a travel team to play all summer in tournaments and a league with other travel teams. They asked me to be their HC. I do not have a son, so I had no bias as we held open tryouts. These were 7th graders, and the previous year they went 16-29 for the summer. We held a two day tryout, and myself and an assistant I picked (a Butler player), selected the team. Evidently, I cut three sons of program board members. Needless to say, folks were not happy. We went 29-17 on the season. During the 8th grade season for the same group, we had a couple of kids transfer in from independent travel teams since they saw the program had improved. I decided to change up the selection process. I asked four baseball players from Purdue to come in and evaluate and select the team. These guys were not from the community, and knew none of the players or their families before tryouts. They picked the team for us, and guess what? No sons of board members or other program sponsors made the team. They picked solely on talent. I got a call from the president of the sports program insisting that I come in and meet with the board, and to bring my tryout scoresheets with me. One of the Purdue players was going to be HC and I was going to be his assistant. I reviewed the situation with him, and we both agreed to walk away from the program. They asked us to do our best job in assembling the best team, then want to dictate how we do it? Go pound sand! They ended up getting some dads to coach the season. |
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 2, 2020 13:42:35 GMT -6
A interesting story. A previous poster had asked someone to name one area of life where talented individuals don't receive "special" consideration.
Looks like you just did that and proved just the opposite in fact. In many areas of life when decisions are made based subjective reasoning, talented individuals are left on the sideline for a variety of reasons, including the ones you just described.
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Dec 2, 2020 13:46:35 GMT -6
you found the one exception to the rule, and that is the selection of a coach with no investment (their kid), skin in the game... and it sounds like you paid the price...
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 2, 2020 13:54:21 GMT -6
Billions on the WNBA? Where do you get that? Players make 10's of thousands not 10's of millions ... Nothing to do with woke. It's a low cost business relative to men. Seems about right level of support. Which is where I disputed Sherm. Franchise value in the pros is valued on future revenue, including the monopoly profit from admitting future franchises. Women's teams seem priced right discounted by higher risk as well as lower current revenue. It's been around since 1996. You don't think there has been billions spent on it? Not just salaries, but travel, arena rent, security, practice facilities, jerseys, etc.? It's a low cost business, also low revenue. The only way it has not folded is because the NBA owners keep pumping money into it. It's a joke.
Let's not let your math be the joke. Billions would be thousands of millions. You made a wild claim and can't back it up.
I believe the league total expenses are far short of your estimate of billions over that 23 year period of time.
And, although they do have relatively low revenue, as you say, to offset some of that expense. It is about 60 mil revenue annually,where they pay players historically about 20%. New contract more. (still not 50%, like the NBA)
I asked for a source of your estimate. You don't have one, but nobody knows exactly, that I agree. My own guess is the NBA subsidy is in the neighbor hood of 10 mil a year.
Take a look at this for support of that guess:
NBA owners are not fools. Why lose money every year?
Oddly enough high value pro sports ownership usually means pouring money into the franchise. NOT taking money out. Until you sell.
Many, many pro franchises are losing money if you look at the current income statement.
The finances of pro sports include a healthy amount of anticipated future revenue when you analyze their valuation.
Some of that value an owner has is the value of the brand and the expansion potential of sports revenue. When the league creates and sells a new franchise the new owners pay through the nose to have the privilege of losing money in the foreseeable future... That franchise fee is split by current ownership, a tidy cash flow.
When an owner sells in the major sports leagues he makes a profit. Despite quite possibly losing money during every year owned ... really quite a puzzling thing in common sense terms, but in the world of finance it makes sense. Minor league franchises in baseball are small businesses, and many sports leagues are shoestring operations hoping to become popular and profitable in the same way the big boys are. The WNBA is like that is some ways, but quite a bit better objectively than a number of other sports leagues.
Whether the WNBA is a good investment for the NBA is certainly open to debate. But, they are not fools. And losing money short term has nothing to do with being "woke."
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 2, 2020 15:40:22 GMT -6
Well, you were doing ok defending your stance until you got to the last line.
How much do you think the BLM stuff cost the NBA? Ratings crashed, and I guaran-goddamn-tee you attendance will be down for years after this. I'm sure COVID will be blamed, though.
Even so, the NBA has already determined they won't have any BLM message on the court next year. They saw that it didn't play well with the 87% of the US that isn't black.
Honestly, I don't know how much the WNBA costs every year, because they aren't about to make that public. But over the past 23 years I can assure you it has been over a billion.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 2, 2020 16:29:08 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't know how much the WNBA costs every year, because they aren't about to make that public. But over the past 23 years I can assure you it has been over a billion. What earthly reason do you have for that assurance? One billion would be about 4 times what the numbers suggest for any years we know much. Early years they operated on an even lower budget. One billion would be losing over 40 million a year. Look at the articles cited above for some good guesses about the data.
And, who said anything about BLM or NBA attendance in this discussion?
I will take a bet that attendance in the post-covid years will be about the same as before. Except of course any year there is a strike!
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Post by halftime on Dec 2, 2020 17:48:35 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't know how much the WNBA costs every year, because they aren't about to make that public. But over the past 23 years I can assure you it has been over a billion. Look at the articles cited above for some good guesses about the data.
Well I just read the WPO article you posted and it doesn't provide a single objective fact relative to the total costs of running the league. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 2, 2020 18:15:36 GMT -6
How a typical travel team is selected: First Five: 1. Child of Head Coach 2. Child of Assistant Coach #1 3. Child of Assistant Coach #2 4. Child of Team Manager 5. Child of Team Mom Second Five: 6-10 most likely the best five kids at the tryout. Last Five: 11. Child of an important contributor (Team Sponsor- Bankroll) 12. Child of Party Dad (Always brings the beer for the overnight trips) 13. Child least contributor (spirit of the team, hard worker, coaches pet, charity case) 14. Child of hottest mom remaining #1 15. Child of hottest mom remaining #2 And that is how a travel team is set.... baseball, basketball, hockey, volleyball... any sport you name it. The real fight is between the parents vying for spots 1-5.... This is so true.... In most cases. Travel Ball is money making scam. They Sell dreams of scholarships and cheap repro rings to Moms who buy into it hook line and sinker. There are some at the Major Level that do have good players and are hard to make but they are also a scam. I have a friend who is paying almost 2000 grand a kid. One plays on the Major A team the other on some sort of B team in the same org. I call them Idiots every time I see them |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 2, 2020 18:20:51 GMT -6
How a typical travel team is selected: First Five: 1. Child of Head Coach 2. Child of Assistant Coach #1 3. Child of Assistant Coach #2 4. Child of Team Manager 5. Child of Team Mom Second Five: 6-10 most likely the best five kids at the tryout. Last Five: 11. Child of an important contributor (Team Sponsor- Bankroll) 12. Child of Party Dad (Always brings the beer for the overnight trips) 13. Child least contributor (spirit of the team, hard worker, coaches pet, charity case) 14. Child of hottest mom remaining #1 15. Child of hottest mom remaining #2 And that is how a travel team is set.... baseball, basketball, hockey, volleyball... any sport you name it. The real fight is between the parents vying for spots 1-5.... A Central Indiana community's sports program was formulating a travel team to play all summer in tournaments and a league with other travel teams. They asked me to be their HC. I do not have a son, so I had no bias as we held open tryouts. These were 7th graders, and the previous year they went 16-29 for the summer. We held a two day tryout, and myself and an assistant I picked (a Butler player), selected the team. Evidently, I cut three sons of program board members. Needless to say, folks were not happy. We went 29-17 on the season. During the 8th grade season for the same group, we had a couple of kids transfer in from independent travel teams since they saw the program had improved. I decided to change up the selection process. I asked four baseball players from Purdue to come in and evaluate and select the team. These guys were not from the community, and knew none of the players or their families before tryouts. They picked the team for us, and guess what? No sons of board members or other program sponsors made the team. They picked solely on talent. I got a call from the president of the sports program insisting that I come in and meet with the board, and to bring my tryout scoresheets with me. One of the Purdue players was going to be HC and I was going to be his assistant. I reviewed the situation with him, and we both agreed to walk away from the program. They asked us to do our best job in assembling the best team, then want to dictate how we do it? Go pound sand! They ended up getting some dads to coach the season. Damn you cut a boars members kid// Dont you know the dads became board members so that there kids would always be pitching/playing SS and batting 4th.. You know for all the scouts that will be there watching 12u |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 2, 2020 18:22:43 GMT -6
Im a board member for our local youth football league and I will say that I have seen more shady shit done by the members than you would believe. Theres a couple good board members but for the most part its all sketchy
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 2, 2020 19:26:12 GMT -6
Back to an earlier digression before it got digressed by a later digression:
Something pretty obvious and important that rarely is mentioned in the USMNT vs USWNT pay rate discussion is that the men have the great fortune to be associated with the super-ginormously popular mens world cup, which is several times more lucrative world wide than the womens world cup. Much the way a terrible football program like (to digress a full circle to the start of this thread) Vanderbilt probably does quite well financially by being associated with the likes of FL, AL and GA. This drives the pay difference much more than the US popularity of the two national soccer teams. Kneeling purple-hair lesbian chick may be quite a thing among US wokesters, but she is nothing worldwide compared to Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, etc.
So none of this explains how the good fortune of the men is a reason the USWNT needs to get paid equally. They are not as lucky and not anywhere near as good as the men. Get back to me when you stop getting your ass kicked by boys without drivers licenses. If they dominate their shitty level of competition, well so what? So do a lot of amateur men teams, who also happen to be much better at soccer than the USWNT. But those guys play for the love of their sport and don't have a huge hissy fit about the lack of pay. The reason for the womens' snit is that they know that they will be taken seriously by woke dipshits and get pub from the woke media, and all their whining and flimsy arguments may actually get them what they want.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 2, 2020 20:24:02 GMT -6
The women should not and will not be paid equally.
Until economics dictate it. Could happen.
And Soccer could also someday fill the Shoe. With enough fewer scholarships to allow men's wrestling, track and field, quidditch and other sports to come to deserved level of support.
That sports indoor football facility will be just perfect for these sports year round.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 2, 2020 20:40:45 GMT -6
As someone who has watched two whole daughters' worth of club and HS girls soccer, let me personally assure you that womens soccer will N E V E R gain wide popularity. If, for some reason, every other sport in the entire world is cancelled, people will just assess their options and kill themselves before it becomes popular.
If you look closely into the stands of a girls soccer game, you will notice that people will secretly put a tiny patch of paint on the back of their hands or maybe the bleachers, so they can watch it dry as a more exciting viewing alternative to the game on the field.
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 2, 2020 20:44:40 GMT -6
So you believe that because your co-worker can beat the shit out of you, he should be paid more than you, even though you provide at least equal value to your employer.
The women's team provides at least equal if not more value than the men's team to US Soccer.
Yes, despite the fact that the men get to participate in the "super-ginormously popular mens world cup, which is several times more lucrative world wide than the womens world cup," the men's team somehow fails to produce more "super-ginormously" levels of revenue for US Soccer than the women. Of course, it's hard to generate revenue from an event if you aren't actually good enough to play in the event.
But, hey, the men kick the women's team's ass head-to-head so they deserve more money.
Plus, there probably aren't any gay male soccer players, right, so we don't have to worry about all that stuff making you uncomfortable. That's gotta be worth a few more bucks just so you can watch the game without imaging there are homosexuals in the world.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 2, 2020 20:52:14 GMT -6
Uh...what? At what point did we pivot into homosexuals and people beating the shit out of co-workers?
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