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Post by JacksonStreetElite on May 4, 2021 8:37:00 GMT -6
Dumpster fire.
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Post by 00hmh on May 4, 2021 8:42:54 GMT -6
Good point to mention Neu and a possible big decision about the FB staff. The timing is at least a little odd for all this. In anything like normal times the budget would be more or less set, allowing action sooner.
Pure pessimistic speculation is there is a bigger problem at the University that is requiring units to adjust plans. The Statehouse spread some extra money around, but no real buzz about higher ed in that , and some indication that the base funding formula was not kind to BSU.
I hope it is not the case but if that all means there are going to be funding cuts at the University rather than an expected increase, the added variable would be how tight budget is going to change the athletic budget.
If they need money elsewhere to make up a shortfall, that share of student fees to athletics is not written in stone, and if they reallocate that it ripples through the entire department.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 4, 2021 8:52:20 GMT -6
I wonder how much money we lost on the bowl game. Athletics was already in dire financial straits, with multiple higher-ups within the department taking pay cuts. The bowl game may have forced the department to get drastic.
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Post by villagepub on May 4, 2021 8:54:11 GMT -6
I wonder how much money we lost on the bowl game. Athletics was already in dire financial straits, with multiple higher-ups within the department taking pay cuts. The bowl game may have forced the department to get drastic. Then again, maybe not. |
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Post by sweep on May 4, 2021 9:45:27 GMT -6
The bowl game may have forced the department to get drastic. Please don't tell me they are going to have to get rid of one of our six assistant athletic directors. |
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Post by sweep on May 4, 2021 9:54:57 GMT -6
The Statehouse spread some extra money around, but no real buzz about higher ed in that , and some indication that the base funding formula was not kind to BSU. Maybe BSU should have hired a solid administrator instead of a woke at all cost blowhard as University President. Possibly someone who could be more on top of the situation and lighten the blow. Possibly someone who doesn't insult the politicians allocating the funds. |
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Post by thebsukid on May 4, 2021 10:05:01 GMT -6
This move suggests a decision has been reached...next season is a write off.
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Post by 00hmh on May 4, 2021 12:03:34 GMT -6
The Statehouse spread some extra money around, but no real buzz about higher ed in that , and some indication that the base funding formula was not kind to BSU. Maybe BSU should have hired a solid administrator instead of a woke at all cost blowhard as University President. You know someone who could be more on top of the situation and lighten the blow. Possibly someone who doesn't insult the politicians allocating the funds. The Statehouse funding is largely determined by a funding formula. That formula isn't built to be good for BSU.
Nobody is going to beat Mitch in terms of Presidential influence, and nobody is going to politically prevail over IU based on the number of IU alumni in the legislature.
Not sure Mearns supporting "woke" causes had much impact. If anything the BSU decision to support MCS public schools, which was not Mearns', probably hurt us in a legislature that favors charter schools.
You have to understand the legislature favors the big schools and disfavors BSU, ISU and the rest, delighted to see them being vocational and any of our initiatives that don't fit that mold are not very well received. School teachers with Ed degrees are not the influence they once were in the current legislature.
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Post by bsutrack on May 4, 2021 14:07:35 GMT -6
Nobody is going to beat Mitch in terms of Presidential influence, and nobody is going to politically prevail over IU based on the number of IU alumni in the legislature.
Maybe the University should consider ditching Mearns and hiring Pence for their President. I hear Pence hasn't anything to do for the next few years. |
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Post by sweep on May 4, 2021 14:20:57 GMT -6
Yes the state funding formula favors schools who are financially prudent and punishes schools who have a history of mismanagement. It has almost nothing to do with size.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 4, 2021 14:33:38 GMT -6
I wonder how much money we lost on the bowl game. Athletics was already in dire financial straits, with multiple higher-ups within the department taking pay cuts. The bowl game may have forced the department to get drastic.
I remember at one time, I looked at how much it costs for low-fanbase schools like BSU to attend one of the third rate bowls. It was right around a million. Now I can't remember how I figured that, or what data sources I used.
A big part of that was the "ticket allotment" bowls make schools pay for, knowing just how little live gate their mediocre-to-dismal match ups are likely to draw otherwise. I wonder how COVID attendance restrictions affected that? I suspect the bowls came out alright, as they are competent, focused money-making operations, whereas schools sometimes seem to exist to spend their students' money on any ridiculous thing they can think of. Bowls and colleges fit together very well in that way.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 4, 2021 14:40:53 GMT -6
At this point, I have to say that I am no longer scoffing so loudly at those expressing hope that Whitford may NOT be extended.
Maybe I've just become a sap like they are. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 4, 2021 14:49:29 GMT -6
Public records from Ball State show nothing new for Whitford or Neu. So if anything has happened nothing has been finalized
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Post by 00hmh on May 4, 2021 14:53:17 GMT -6
Yes the state funding formula favors schools who are financially prudent and punishes schools who have a history of mismanagement. It has almost nothing to do with size. You don't seem to know much about the history of the funding formula or it's makeup.
Size itself is not exactly a direct variable. Although the existence of giant graduate programs is assumed for IU and PU and these programs are well funded and provide resources that can be used by the undergrad programs to save money, for example teaching assistants and labs.
The flagship schools are given the the benefit of more exclusive admissions, therefore more 4 year graduations and the funding formula then rewards 4 year graduation. Meeting minimum 4 year graduation goals for example is a lot harder when you admit students with less likelihood to begin with to finish in 4. BSU increasingly is expected to take student from IVT after 2 years there, and graduate those less well prepared student at the same rate IU or PU graduates its original admissions cohort.
The funding formula is instituted at a time when the flagships have very large budgets as a base, with lots of money they can move around to meet their goals. Those budgets have their main goals already funded for developing grad programs and honors programs and other nationally known (expensive) programs. BSU started the new regime with tight budget, and many programs not yet fully developed, plus faced a requirement to meet high growth in enrollment in new programs, which means new needs for faculty, equipment and so on.
As for prudent management, you can't cut the fat when there isn't much. In that department the formula perversely rewards so called "prudent" management which the big schools find easier to do and BSU just can't do.
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Post by sweep on May 4, 2021 15:25:11 GMT -6
Yes the state funding formula favors schools who are financially prudent and punishes schools who have a history of mismanagement. It has almost nothing to do with size. In that department the formula perversely rewards so called "prudent" management which the big schools find easier to do and BSU just can't do.
Not sure what is "perverse" about that, and Ball State can do it, we just consistently don't do it. Why, because we make demonstratively dumb decisions over and over again. The situation with Whitford's contract is a good example of how unprofessionally our top administrators handle common problems. |
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