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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2021 6:42:49 GMT -6
Good point. Marginal P5 isn't exactly bad though. Pretty good BB. Compared to G5 a big step up on most counts
That conference, unlike G5, would have some FB attendance. A few programs there with money.
TV contract? That will create a two tier P5 in FB, NFL vs AFL almost. SEC, B10 have the big guns there.
Cannot see good news on this front for any G5 conference. Even more than now will be dying on the vine.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2021 9:58:57 GMT -6
Im trying to sort this out in my head and get a realistic Idea of whats going to happen.. One thing for sure it is not going to be good for the group of 5
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2021 11:02:01 GMT -6
Im trying to sort this out in my head and get a realistic Idea of whats going to happen.. One thing for sure it is not going to be good for the group of 5 As the Courts under Antitrust have made toothless the "competitive balance" interest that allowed so much of the NCAA control of competition, the P5 will soon create new rules for FB recruiting, scholarship limits, and so on. Without the pesky NCAA interfering. The pretense that we have 130 FBS teams all in some way governed by the same rules is going, going, gone. Pro football loosely affiliated with University brands is a real possibility. Probably not quite that far, but far enough to make G5 schools unable to pretend they are in the same league.
The TV money differences will get bigger even, fueling more practical differences. Think about the new TV contracts coming. P5 conferences like the SEC will have enough good games to go wall to wall during the season. National Tuesday Nite TV College FB or Wednesday, Thursday Nite or whatever. They will saturate the market. The MAC will have a real problem marketing their weeknight second tier games. Maybe "Late Nite FB?" That midnight time slot should be available.
The P5 conferences will not be equal either. Expect new "haves" and "have not" based on that. Texas was able to segment the B12 TV market and exploit it, I am not clear whether they hope to continue doing that, but it's surely true the B12 suffered from that Texas market monopoly. They could get away with it since that Texas recruiting base and fan base is unbelievably valuable, everybody recruits there.
Did I say "The rich get richer?" That really applies here to the new order.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2021 11:34:57 GMT -6
I Would guess the best hope would be is let everything shake out and see what remains. Then take the new g5 remain under the ncaa umbrella but realign into another group of four conferences and run it fcs style with a tournament/playoff at the end involving every team. Football at our level is not going to dissappear there are too many players the NFL needs playing in the likes of the g5
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2021 11:35:30 GMT -6
Claims it has "national brands" but mostly seems to be crowing because the B12 is terribly weakened. I guess that might make the PAC12 contend for "best of the rest after the B10 and SEC.
But if somehow that were true, to get TV contracts they will have compete for the Saturday afternoon slots. They do have a big market in California, but that 1PM national game is a morning game for them on Saturday and SEC/B10 will have plenty of good games they can delay and play 4PM. Maybe they can piggy back on the big boys and arrange times for the second game on weeknights following the SEC and B10 games.
Good money but not as good as the prime time offerings. In terms of TV package, I don't see enough good PAC12 games to win the ratings wars, or for that matter to fill the good TV slots . Maybe by arranging intersectional games and sharing the dough which is how the NFL does it. But this is by conference. The good TV is likely going to be by conference contracts and include the Saturday afternoon slots, there will be no big money P5 contract that includes everybody and shares the wealth, not much incentive for that.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2021 11:45:18 GMT -6
Key point is does it end up being 4 power conference or does the big 12 remain in it as the 5th
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2021 11:58:56 GMT -6
I Would guess the best hope would be is let everything shake out and see what remains. Then take the new g5 remain under the ncaa umbrella but realign into another group of four conferences and run it fcs style with a tournament/playoff at the end involving every team. Football at our level is not going to dissappear there are too many players the NFL needs playing in the likes of the g5 Yeah, I agree there will be a new FCS, probably including G5 and reorganized FCS conferences.
FCS level FB is probably good enough to produce NFL players especially if you added in G5 teams. That is better news for the ISU's of the world than the BSU's though. They become more attractive. It will be hard for the MAC schools to maintain even an FCS budget. As we cut FB budget we can have good college FB, but we won't get the number of good players we get now.
One of the things that concern is it seems to me likely that the "money games" we have now are fewer. Auburn and others who subsidize us now, can make a lot more money. Either a money game for the second tier, or even home and home against a P5 second tier school will make more money. What we are now is just home attendance and filling out the schedule, they will have incentive to add more conference games, or cut those games to have more very lucrative TV tournament games. There also will still be a P5 second tier ready to substitute for MAC opponents, probably including some of those B12 schools...
Also, I am not so sure the NFL needs can't be satisfied mostly by the "new" and even richer P5 schools who will have even more of the best players cornered, although playing as reserves.
Why would they stick with 85 scholarships? With the money they have they can now afford 100+. They may be able to pay walk ons better than we can pay scholarship players. They have the infrastructure to support more players. Granted they may use the transfer rule and farm out players to the MAC for a couple of years with many prospects, but why not pay a modest amount more for depth?
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Jul 23, 2021 12:04:01 GMT -6
Kansas has a call set up with the Big Ten
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 23, 2021 12:09:51 GMT -6
"BYU would bring lots of eyeballs but too many eye rolls for the trouble." Good to know he wears his religious bigotry for everyone to see. What a douche.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2021 12:09:53 GMT -6
Key point is does it end up being 4 power conference or does the big 12 remain in it as the 5th Longer term I think 4 "divisions" is too logical to avoid, regional marketing. There was a good idea or two above how it might work. But that will take a while to settle out. Who knows, maybe there will be a P6 or P12 or something similar to the NFL organization. I doubt it. But he current P5 looks likely to become a couple of conference haves and some relative have not conferences very soon after the new TV contracts.
You are right it is really unpredictable. Even possible that briefly, the strongest current G5 conferences reorganize some way and continue to pretend (or strong G5 schools reorganize or join B12 or ACC) but all the current G5 schools and conferences do not look tenable.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2021 12:26:05 GMT -6
Newest rumor is merging the big 12 and pac 12 into a 20 team conference
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2021 12:27:51 GMT -6
one thing we do have going for us is Mearns new job with the NCAA thats gotta give us a little leg up on the some of the rest
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Post by realitycheck on Jul 23, 2021 12:35:34 GMT -6
one thing we do have going for us is Mearns new job with the NCAA thats gotta give us a little leg up on the some of the rest I thought he was just the head of the MAC presidents or some such title. Did he get something else too? Regardless, I trust him zero to do anything that requires a set of nuts.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2021 12:40:07 GMT -6
Yea I dont remember what it is some appointed position but it can't hurt.. Unless your right and he just lets whoever bulldog him
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 23, 2021 12:44:21 GMT -6
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