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Post by journalismjoe76 on Nov 4, 2021 6:21:20 GMT -6
It was more of the same though. How many times can we say we just did not shoot well. We just don't get good shooters. We just watched a bunch of slow white dudes drop three after three on our heads Maybe we can go out and recruit someone who can shoot the 3-ball. Hey - how about we go out and recruit someone like Luke Brown if he ever decides to leave Stetson and enter the transfer portal? |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2021 6:45:16 GMT -6
So in other words we played like a team that doesn't really get after it in practice. Same thing, different season. Not at all. They played hard. They had some guys shooting who probably should not. Shots went up when nobody was under the basket or headed that way and as a result they did not hit the offensive boards. As I said above, too many different lineups and except for maybe the starters and the group that finished they looked like they were playing in lineups that didn't often play together. When they were coordinated, not for long, 2 or 3 subs came in. Continuity was poor. That's not absence of effort in practice. The effort good. This game was more a Chinese fire drill than I liked. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2021 6:50:40 GMT -6
It was more of the same though. How many times can we say we just did not shoot well. We just don't get good shooters. We just watched a bunch of slow white dudes drop three after three on our heads Maybe we can go out and recruit someone who can shoot the 3-ball. Hey - how about we go out and recruit someone like Luke Brown if he ever decides to leave Stetson and enter the transfer portal? Not a bad idea! Maybe for some players it's a case of not shooting so fast and looking once for the players we have who can shoot...Jihad and Pearson should not take as many shots as quickly as Bumbalough. Cochran missed a lot in traffic near the basket but was about the only player who did not take a hurried 3. |
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Post by Hoopsmith on Nov 4, 2021 7:06:30 GMT -6
Even I'm old enough to remember an "upset" loss to another no-name Michigan team causing headaches for Steve Yoder... we also had an engaged fan following to grumble back then.
Name that tiny Michigan school, win prizes chosen just for you..
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Post by cardfan on Nov 4, 2021 7:07:40 GMT -6
I wonder if Pearson is going to give us much of anything? He's supposed to be a decent shot but wasn't at TCU and wasn't last night. Is that all he's going to do--shoot quick 3s? If so, that's a total waste of length. Can he defend? Will he rebound? Is Whit's "system" even designed to get boards?
It was a ragged exhibition game. That's fine. I'm sure whit was just trying a bunch of stuff. But, the classic symptoms of Whit ball appear to have been very present and that's a bad sign. (the lack of continuity, the scramble drill type offense, soft on the boards, players confused about what their roles really should be or not being interested in roles, lack of a PG running the show/steadying the ship, every man for himself)
We'll see. It's just one exhibition game against a good D2 team (but still, D2) A well coached D2 team. Maybe by January this crew will have it's shit together. Maybe, if Luke Brown is granted eligibility and is in shape to play and contribute right away, he'll give us some sense of direction and creativity on offense, and a consistency in shooting that will demand opponents guard the 3 line. Maybe. It's all a maybe.
Honest and serious questions: What, exactly, is Whit's program? His plan? System? Goals for this team? Structure? Methodology? In short, is this going to be a roster that can and will be molded into a cohesive unit, all directed and coached toward winning? Can Whit even accomplish that? Or it is just another mishmash of players who all seemingly have similar skills (or lack thereof) who will devolve into a chaotic mess when things don't go their way? We are bigger and more athletic, but is that going to actually translate into anything?
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Post by cardfan on Nov 4, 2021 7:07:59 GMT -6
Even I'm old enough to remember an "upset" loss to another no-name Michigan team causing headaches for Steve Yoder... we also had an engaged fan following to grumble back then. Name that tiny Michigan school, win prizes chosen just for you.. Hillsdale? |
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Post by Hoopsmith on Nov 4, 2021 7:26:42 GMT -6
Even I'm old enough to remember an "upset" loss to another no-name Michigan team causing headaches for Steve Yoder... we also had an engaged fan following to grumble back then. Name that tiny Michigan school, win prizes chosen just for you.. Hillsdale? Ding ding ding ding ding! |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 4, 2021 7:48:01 GMT -6
Ding ding ding ding ding! I was an early teen but I still remember the confusion and consternation over losing to freaking Hillsdale. Obviously Yoder did prove he could build a program and win a championship. If he’d stayed one more year he’d have won another. Dammit Al! |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 4, 2021 8:22:56 GMT -6
I still think this team can be decent. You look at them and watch them warm up and for tge first time in a long time you think that's a basketball team. It's on whit to push the right buttons. What really scares me is the new normal of not being able to shoot the ball when our offense is centered around shooting a ton of threes. At best we're going to be the same team that if hot can win a few but if cold can lose to much tech
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Post by cardfan on Nov 4, 2021 8:31:34 GMT -6
I still think this team can be decent. You look at them and watch them warm up and for tge first time in a long time you think that's a basketball team. It's on whit to push the right buttons. What really scares me is the new normal of not being able to shoot the ball when our offense is centered around shooting a ton of threes. At best we're going to be the same team that if hot can win a few but if cold can lose to much tech In other words, same as it ever was in the Whit program, but with more athletes this time. I have no confidence he can "coach them up" and push the right buttons. I hope he can, but his overall history just doesn't indicate he can/will do it. We're going to lack a solid presence in the middle unless Huggins gets healthy enough to play and stays out of foul trouble. Sparks will not be ready for the MAC grind and the physicality he'll see. That takes time to adapt to. Not sure how athletic he is. We still have guys on the roster who mostly will not contribute anything and need to move on. (like Hendricks. Once brown is eligible Soukas probably ought to look for something else, and I like that guy. Windham?) We are extremely redundant at small forward. Do we have a "power" forward? We have guards who are more physical and can move now, but, cannot shoot or even hit layups. We'll see. Season hasn't even started yet. We'll know by January. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2021 8:32:04 GMT -6
I wonder if Pearson is going to give us much of anything? He's supposed to be a decent shot but wasn't at TCU and wasn't last night. Is that all he's going to do--shoot quick 3s? If so, that's a total waste of length. Can he defend? Will he rebound? Is Whit's "system" even designed to get boards? I doubt he is much of an offensive threat. Most of the time on the court he doesn't stand out, good or bad. I watched him on defense and he was sound, and maybe that's his role. That's not all bad, and he did not throw the ball away. He obviously had the green light to shoot and we did not see much there...Maybe he's better in practice?
This game at least it was either very poor shot selection or there was not much design to go get the ball after shots. That was a waste of athleticism and length.
If you are going to be 4 or 5 players out, you should still get some chances on long rebounds, and we should have had more chances to drive and have others follow to get after the rebound.
Cochran, Sellers, Jacobs and Bumb did drive. I believe Jones can do that. No forward showed that, although Acree can. I think they would have had an advantage had they done so. The other option should be to cut into the post and get the ball with room to operate. Sparks did, got position there a couple of times, did well. Nobody else.
Not seeing Tsoukas, Huggins or Jones who have some experience was disappointing. Jihad was yanked after not playing at all well in his first few minutes, really looked like a Freshman. Sparks and Jihad were both lost on defense against Tech's high post game.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 4, 2021 8:36:36 GMT -6
I wonder if Pearson is going to give us much of anything? He's supposed to be a decent shot but wasn't at TCU and wasn't last night. Is that all he's going to do--shoot quick 3s? If so, that's a total waste of length. Can he defend? Will he rebound? Is Whit's "system" even designed to get boards? I doubt he is much of an offensive threat. Most of the time on the court he doesn't stand out, good or bad. I watched him on defense and he was sound, and maybe that's his role. That's not all bad, and he did not throw the ball away. He obviously had the green light to shoot and we did not see much there...Maybe he's better in practice?
This game at least it was either very poor shot selection or there was not much design to go get the ball after shots. That was a waste of athleticism and length.
If you are going to be 4 or 5 players out, you should still get some chances on long rebounds, and we should have had more chances to drive and have others follow to get after the rebound.
Cochran, Sellers, Jacobs and Bumb did drive. I believe Jones can do that. No forward showed that, although Acree can. I think they would have had an advantage had they done so. The other option should be to cut into the post and get the ball with room to operate. Sparks did, got position there a couple of times, did well. Nobody else.
Not seeing Tsoukas, Huggins or Jones who have some experience was disappointing. Jihad was yanked after not playing at all well in his first few minutes, really looked like a Freshman. Sparks and Jihad were both lost on defense against Tech's high post game.
Jihad and Sparks will play alot because Whit wants to play them, but they for the most part will not be ready to contribute much. Certainly not consistently. They are players for the future. Sellers will be a good contributor early, and I've always thought he'd be the most "minutes ready" as a freshman. The bigger guys we recruit, they just take longer to get there. I still think Cochran will be our stud, provided he learns to finish in traffic, because he'll be around the paint quite a bit. Whit has to do a coaching job this year. A real one. Hopefully he will lean on Darner to help with that. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 4, 2021 8:42:11 GMT -6
I still think this team can be decent. You look at them and watch them warm up and for tge first time in a long time you think that's a basketball team. It's on whit to push the right buttons. What really scares me is the new normal of not being able to shoot the ball when our offense is centered around shooting a ton of threes. At best we're going to be the same team that if hot can win a few but if cold can lose to much tech Sparks will not be ready for the MAC grind and the physicality he'll see. That takes time to adapt to. Not sure how athletic he is. We still have guys on the roster who mostly will not contribute anything and need to move on. (like Hendricks. Once brown is eligible Soukas probably ought to look for something else, and I like that guy. Windham?) We are extremely redundant at small forward. Do we have a "power" forward? We have guards who are more physical and can move now, but, cannot shoot or even hit layups. We'll see. Season hasn't even started yet. We'll know by January. All are issues now, I agree. No way to tell on some of it.
With this many new players and with Darner in the mix, there is a lot of change, so I was not shocked things didn't have much polish in this game.
Windham actually looked better to me than he did last year. Not like he was great but was not lost on D, handled the ball better, and used more judgment on taking shots than other players, and that was where he "stood out" last year.
I'll reserve judgment on shooting, good bet we will hit layups and get fouled more, and if we look for our good shooters are bound to hit higher percentage on 3's. I am all for playing fast but not 5 on 5, half court as much as we did. Tech hit a decent percentage and we did not get shots on the break. Could and should have looked for better shots when that break did not develop.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 4, 2021 8:44:39 GMT -6
Bumb deserves some praise. At this point we know he is not going to be a 20 point guy but he played hard and really was calming when he had the ball. Really he looked like tge only one trying to play something other than parkball
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 4, 2021 8:46:47 GMT -6
I'll agree with you that Windham looked better than last year's windham
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