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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 5, 2022 22:44:14 GMT -6
Whether Luke wanted to play or not I think is irrelevant. I bet Windham wants to play. I bet Huggins wants to play. The bottom line is Whitford let Luke on the court after one practice with the team (was it even practice or just pregame shoot around?). That combined with the hype machine suggests the desperate hope that Luke would be a savior. That’s what leaves the bad taste. Luke’s best interests were shoved aside for an prayer that he would be a quick solution. It’s not fair to him. This and you can say it's up to the kid to choose whether or not to redshirt but the coach had the ultimate control. Don't play him it happens in football to 15 guys a year. They all want to play but they dont
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 5, 2022 22:49:43 GMT -6
I agree though Brown can and probably will have a game where all of a sudden he hits 5 of 6bor whatever. He is that good of a shooter and when he is running the offense full speed on the break you can see where he can excel. It's really a double edge sword we have going on right now
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 5, 2022 22:53:39 GMT -6
Oh and I am not anti brown I guess if I'm anything it's anti brown this year because I think it's a waste of a year for him
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 5, 2022 23:05:49 GMT -6
I think for the rest of this year, his role probably should be about what it was against Toledo. I wouldn't expect him to go 1-6 from three consistently. I think they'll need to keep hiding him defensively and I worry a little that teams will begin attacking him when he's on D. It's true that he's going to struggle on defense and he got beat badly by Rollins yesterday on one play, but so did a lot of his teammates.
Going forward, he could become a starter but I kinda see him more as a career sixth man who can play point and provide some offense. Barring transfer, we've got all the same players back next year, so Jacobs will still be there. I'm not sure where we are roster wise with the number of scholarships we have to give but they've offered two PGs according to Verbal Commits.
I suspect the kid is a hard worker but it's clear he's not a great athlete, so the question is how much of his lack of athleticism can he overcome with hard work and intelligence. Even those without great athleticism can improve their quickness, their lateral movement, their leaping ability with hard work but will (or does) Brown put in the time on those things as much as he does on his shooting and ball handling? He'll need to.
As bsutrack noted, if he's paired with Sellers he'll be able to handle the point on offense, but won't have to guard the point on defense, and that's probably the best situation you can put him in.
Now that's all under the rule of Whitford. If Whit is replaced, Brown could completely disappear or he could become a starter and an integral part of the offense depending on that new coach's philosophy and how he wants to play.
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Post by sweep on Feb 6, 2022 5:41:33 GMT -6
Guys, it's simple, he just isn't anything rare or special. He is a marginal DI player who can contribute but only under specific circumstances. Whitford should be able to recruit over this kid every year. He is averaging less than one assist a game, shooting less than 30% from three and doesn't posses the athletic ability to guard anyone at this level. Not sure why some of you guys think a redshirt would have made a big difference, he isn't going to turn into Pete Maravich with the extra time. He might be able to contribute as a situational shooter down the road, but that's probably about it.
Brown likely won't be the college ball player Bumbalough is.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 6, 2022 7:20:38 GMT -6
Someone remind me please what were his top three college offers? Other than Stetson and us I honestly don’t recall.
We know for certain he didn’t fly under the radar in high school between all the news stories about him, especially Doyle’s man crush for all of Indianapolis to read. You don’t end up with 3000 career points in the state of Hoosiers without every team within 200 miles scouting you multiple times.
So either he’s the “one that got away” for all the perennial powerhouse programs or he is what he is. A sharpshooter and good passer with defensive/athletic limitations that cap his ceiling even in the MAC. I think it’s the latter from what I’ve witnessed.
BTW, we did land someone rare and special in this class, the hands down best recruit ever in Whitfords tenure. Sparks is a stud. I guess the old adage that even a blind squirrel finds a nut 🌰 is true if he looks long enough. Sparks did what Moses did by transforming his physique over the summer from high school to college except he’s better than Moses by a mile. Keep in mind Trey finished with 1100 career points and nearly 1000 rebounds. Sparks could be a hall of famer IF we can keep him. I don’t believe he will ever win the league or go to the Dance under this coach so it depends on how long it takes him to figure that out.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 6, 2022 7:34:11 GMT -6
Someone remind me please what were his top three college offers? Other than Stetson and us I honestly don’t recall. We know for certain he didn’t fly under the radar in high school between all the news stories about him, especially Doyle’s man crush for all of Indianapolis to read. You don’t end up with 3000 career points in the state of Hoosiers without every team within 200 miles scouting you multiple times. So either he’s the “one that got away” for all the perennial powerhouse programs or he’s what he is. A sharpshooter and good passer with defensive/athletic limitations that limit his ceiling even in the MAC. I think it’s the latter from what I’ve witnessed. BTW, we did land someone rare and special in this class, the hand down best recruit ever in Whitfords tenure. Sparks is a stud. I guess the old adage that even a blind squirrel finds a nut 🌰 is true if he looks long enough. He did what Moses did by transforming his physique over the summer from high school to college except he’s better than Moses by a mile. Keep in mind Trey finished with 1100 career points and almost nearly 1000 rebounds. Sparks could be a hall of famer IF we can keep him. I don’t believe he will ever win the league or go to the Dance under this coach so it depends on how long it takes him to figure that out. Yep.
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Post by sweep on Feb 6, 2022 8:33:00 GMT -6
Maybe we could grab Henry Abraham from the portal and have book-end 6 ft PG's who scored 3000+pts in High School and struggle to play at this level.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 6, 2022 9:29:18 GMT -6
I'd like to see his +/- stat.
He is definitely a liability defensively. Toledo embarrassed him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a rhythm and goes off offensively before the end of the season.
He's only a freshman and I certainly hope he develops into something special. Right now however he looks more like the second coming of Kyle Cox (in regards to basketball) than our savior.
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Post by sweep on Feb 6, 2022 9:44:22 GMT -6
I'd like to see his +/- stat. He is definitely a liability defensively. Toledo embarrassed him. I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a rhythm and goes off offensively before the end of the season. He's only a freshman and I certainly hope he develops into something special. Right now however he looks more like the second coming of Kyle Cox (in regards to basketball) than our savior. His +/- is a -3.3. It really isn't that bad, the real problem is his offensive rating is only a 96.6 which is lousy for a guy who is supposed to be an offensive threat. His defense would be tolerable if he would produce more points.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 6, 2022 10:07:45 GMT -6
I'd like to see his +/- stat. He is definitely a liability defensively. Toledo embarrassed him. I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a rhythm and goes off offensively before the end of the season. He's only a freshman and I certainly hope he develops into something special. Right now however he looks more like the second coming of Kyle Cox (in regards to basketball) than our savior. His +/- is a -3.3. It really isn't that bad, the real problem is his offensive rating is only a 96.6 which is lousy for a guy who is supposed to be an offensive threat. His defense would be tolerable if he would produce more points. Great point. If he was hitting what we think he can, he'd be "OK" and we'd just be griping about defense and saying role player, might someday be a starter. Which all could happen, his shot selection isn't horrible and the shooting slump is a little surprising, mental, reaction to the much better defense.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 6, 2022 10:23:39 GMT -6
His +/- is a -3.3. It really isn't that bad, the real problem is his offensive rating is only a 96.6 which is lousy for a guy who is supposed to be an offensive threat. His defense would be tolerable if he would produce more points. Great point. If he was hitting what we think he can, he'd be "OK" and we'd just be griping about defense and saying role player, might someday be a starter. Which all could happen, his shot selection isn't horrible and the shooting slump is a little surprising, mental, reaction to the much better defense. It seems to always happen. Amazing high school shooters come here and have a giant slump until they get used to the speed of the game. Some never do get used to it.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 6, 2022 17:38:35 GMT -6
Looking back, there are a lot of parallels between Luke Brown and Kyle Cox. If I remember Cox came in with a certain level of hype after being a prolific scorer and leading single A Blue River to a state championship runner-up. Not the same hype level as Brown, but Cox scored 1000 points less in his HS carrier. He's still top 75 all time in the state. (71st)
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 6, 2022 18:14:01 GMT -6
Looking back, there are a lot of parallels between Luke Brown and Kyle Cox. If I remember Cox came in with a certain level of hype after being a prolific scorer and leading single A Blue River to a state championship runner-up. Not the same hype level as Brown, but Cox scored 1000 points less in his HS carrier. He's still top 75 all time in the state. (71st) Kyle was not the same level, just not as good, not the same range, same passing skills, but certainly size and athleticism which are handicaps on defense raise the same questions. What many of us said during the recruiting period.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 6, 2022 18:29:07 GMT -6
Kyle had very deep range. He just wasn’t good enough to be on the floor at our level. Should never have picked BSU. I think Buckley probably thought he was doing Tony a favor.
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