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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 5, 2022 18:24:16 GMT -6
This ought to be a fun good discussion. I can't protect you if the Mafia finds us here...
I'll go first
He should have been redshirted it would have only helped. He is not ready for the minutes he is getting
Where is he going
I think someday he starts but I'm not sure that's good. Much like Bumbalough I think we might ask just how many other teams would he start for
I think he can be a good point guard but I'm not sure he can be that point guard we dreamed of
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 5, 2022 18:45:16 GMT -6
He definitely should've redshirted. It says a whole lot about Whitford's character that he forced playing him so fast and so much.
He looks lost right now, plus his teammates aren't really including him.
At this point it's tough to project what he can be. I hope I'm wrong, but I personally think he's up against it in terms of athleticism, quickness, strength, and getting a shot off quickly enough. He handles the ball and passes really well, but, like Bumbalough, struggles with more physical and athletic defenders. Defensively he is a big liability right now.
I feel bad for him. I really hope things work out for him - seems like a really solid kid.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 5, 2022 18:52:59 GMT -6
Honestly he should have chosen to redshirt. No want the poor kid could have lived up to all that hype right away. Not his fault the program way overplayed it’s hand in hyping him when he transferred. Maybe he can be a good player eventually but tuft now he’s overmatched.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 5, 2022 19:05:07 GMT -6
He definitely should've redshirted. It says a whole lot about Whitford's character that he forced playing him so fast and so much. I guess it's true he is giving him playing time and there is an argument too much of it. That much I agree, that is not completely clear. If you are going to play him and if his value as almost anyone can see is potential as an outside shooter, you have to give him time, and shots. And as Calhoun says above, different folks will disagree about what that immediate potential is.
But, "forcing him to play" I sure don't know about that. Whitford has always tried to talk players into a red shirt including players with as much potential or more as Brown. I can't remember when he ever really denied anyone who wanted one a red shirt year. But, in all cases I am aware of, he has made it ultimately the player's decision.
If you have some reason to believe Brown was asked to forego a red shirt, what is it? If not, to say Whit "forced" Brown to play is just taking a cheap shot at the coach. Which may be de rigueur for the forum, I suppose.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 5, 2022 19:10:18 GMT -6
I said Whit forced it. I did not say he forced him to play. Quit twisting my words.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 5, 2022 19:16:13 GMT -6
Honestly he should have chosen to redshirt. No want the poor kid could have lived up to all that hype right away. Not his fault the program way overplayed it’s hand in hyping him when he transferred. Maybe he can be a good player eventually but tuft now he’s overmatched.
We probably all agree about his having potential but not being ready for prime time, now.
Some truth in your post, but I think the hype followed the decision being made on the red shirt issue. Brown essentially walked on, and did not have a scholarship but wanted very much to play. The hype was going to be there to some degree no matter what we did, it came with him and his own story. Not exactly something the Program could have just ignored. "No comment?"
The recruitment was newsworthy, putting it into advertisement or not wasn't going to change much what Blackford County did. You may exaggerate the power of the BSU publicity machine. Hasn't ever been that powerful in my view.
Somewhere along the line somebody raised the possibility he could still have had a red shirt until so many games he played. I forget what the answer was. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 5, 2022 19:55:25 GMT -6
Redshirt is done that was for 9 games if he had played a whole season. Since he came in late 9 games that number was not accurate
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Feb 5, 2022 19:58:23 GMT -6
Nobody here probably knows the discussion with the athlete. But since Whitford is the Devil, it’s assumed he pushed him not to redshirt. My guess is as someone pointed out that it is the players final call. I’m guessing he said he didn’t want to redshirt. But then again, I have no idea of an actual discussion. Same as everyone here.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 5, 2022 21:16:51 GMT -6
I’m sure he wanted to play, but in his case it would seem the coach would take a step back and say, no, you just got here, your best interests would be to just sit out this semester, get acclimated, get stronger, and save that year and you can hit the ground running. I’m not sure a coach should always leave everything up to the player.
Now, despite all that it would not surprise me at all if Brown is the hero in one of our games down the stretch.
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Post by thebsukid on Feb 5, 2022 21:25:34 GMT -6
I understand that Luke has not knocked down as many shots as any of us would like this far and needs to improve his D but he has not done bad job handling the ball at Point backing up Jacobs. To me I’d rather see Luke playing minutes at Point than having Cochran playing out of position!!
Think about that one!!
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 5, 2022 21:29:57 GMT -6
The coach always said it was their choice. In his case, I say he wanted to play. At this time I’d say he is not ready for prime time. Hope next year works for him, but he missed out on becoming special his first year - sparks on the other hand, WOW!
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 5, 2022 21:45:32 GMT -6
Whether Luke wanted to play or not I think is irrelevant. I bet Windham wants to play. I bet Huggins wants to play.
The bottom line is Whitford let Luke on the court after one practice with the team (was it even practice or just pregame shoot around?). That combined with the hype machine suggests the desperate hope that Luke would be a savior. That’s what leaves the bad taste. Luke’s best interests were shoved aside for an prayer that he would be a quick solution. It’s not fair to him.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 5, 2022 22:12:39 GMT -6
C'mon. He played a few minutes that first game.
Don't exaggerate the issue. Either way this is likely not a big deal. If the early first impression was good it was not so unreasonable to get him some PT.
I doubt staff looked at him as a savior. More a wild card. Even now I can't say he won't play well enough to contribute.
That and the strong chance you're going to have an unhappy camper not playing him and giving him a chance, that also had be a factor to consider.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 5, 2022 22:17:29 GMT -6
To me I’d rather see Luke playing minutes at Point than having Cochran playing out of position!! Think about that one!! Some truth there. But I see the argument a red shirt could be worth it over a small gain in ball handling now. If he doesn't shoot and defend, it was gamble that won't pay off. |
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Post by bsutrack on Feb 5, 2022 22:38:52 GMT -6
I think Whitford is in survival mode and saw, like a lot of us, Cochran just wasn't cutting in the role of back-up PG. Prior to the 4 guard rotation against Toledo, Brown's minutes were always when Jacobs was off the floor. Remember before Brown started playing speculation was his minutes would come out of Bumbalough's. That's not the case. Brown shares the PG minutes with Jacobs. He doesn't play SG with Jacobs on the floor as PG.
It was in Whitford's best interest for Brown to play PG this year for the 10 to 15 minutes per game Jacobs needs to rest. As has been pointed out, none of us know how the discussion went down between Brown and Whitford. If Whitford was encouraging him to play this year, I doubt if he had to try too hard. The kid wants to play.
Long term, pairing him with Sellers at PG may cover-up a lot of his defensive shortcomings. Sellers can always guard the more athletic opposing guard and hope Brown can handle the other.
Like Cardfan, I keep thinking one of these games Brown's shots will start falling. Several of those 5 misses in the Toledo game were just off. They weren't like Bumbalough's misses where he misses everything.
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