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Sparks
Mar 18, 2022 23:37:36 GMT -6
Post by nazcard on Mar 18, 2022 23:37:36 GMT -6
Forgot about him, good call. Windham also. |
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Sparks
Mar 18, 2022 23:44:25 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2022 23:44:25 GMT -6
Saves money for a couple of years! AD moves on and it's the next AD's problem. I've thought many times this is exactly what was happening. If so it almost worked but the job did not come. Now there is no dodging it and we have a make or break moment upcoming Realistically the best mid major AD isn't hired to really to make independent big decisions. Limited budgets and revenue mean you don't have the juice to make policy. The AD answers to Presidents and NCAA. It's a fight to make changes even when hired to clean up... |
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Sparks
Mar 19, 2022 0:19:24 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 19, 2022 0:19:24 GMT -6
BSU spent money on a search firm to do what I’m guessing is in the ADs job description. Some truth there! They have some value. Know better than most ADs who is ready to move up, and is quietly looking, or might be. Stay in touch with candidates and agents, probably have a better idea on salary range that is really acceptable. They watch the market activity every year, many searches, real time. AD has to set parameters and identify possible candidates, too. The search firm is a supplement and helps do some screening. It's worth something. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 19, 2022 7:25:03 GMT -6
Goetz wants to follow the conventional wisdom to the letter, but has never done a basketball coach search, so she doesn't know every last aspect of the conventional wisdom. The search firm will make absolutely sure no out-of-the-box candidate sneaks into the picture, and BSU will pay full market price for their choice.
Goetz has a huge gender advantage for further promotion and doesn't want to blow it.
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Sparks
Mar 19, 2022 7:58:50 GMT -6
Post by birdybird on Mar 19, 2022 7:58:50 GMT -6
Goetz wants to follow the conventional wisdom to the letter, but has never done a basketball coach search, so she doesn't know every last aspect of the conventional wisdom. The search firm will make absolutely sure no out-of-the-box candidate sneaks into the picture, and BSU will pay full market price for their choice. Goetz has a huge gender advantage for further promotion and doesn't want to blow it. Agree about not wanting to blow it, but if she sets the parameters and knows what she is looking for how would a candidate slip in that doesn’t meet the criteria. I get the business end of it and the hidden agenda but why not have someone within the athletic department handle some of the preliminary stuff, AD could easily give those parameters to staff and like someone in an earlier post said the resumes/coaches will rose to the top. |
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Mar 19, 2022 8:32:57 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Mar 19, 2022 8:32:57 GMT -6
Goetz wants to follow the conventional wisdom to the letter, but has never done a basketball coach search, so she doesn't know every last aspect of the conventional wisdom. The search firm will make absolutely sure no out-of-the-box candidate sneaks into the picture, and BSU will pay full market price for their choice. Goetz has a huge gender advantage for further promotion and doesn't want to blow it. Agree about not wanting to blow it, but if she sets the parameters and knows what she is looking for how would a candidate slip in that doesn’t meet the criteria. I get the business end of it and the hidden agenda but why not have someone within the athletic department handle some of the preliminary stuff, AD could easily give those parameters to staff and like someone in an earlier post said the resumes/coaches will rose to the top. Why not? Who would you use? Simple answer is at most mid majors Associates are not experienced and not all that likely to be all that good at that task, compared to the search guys, and also because we are not staffed like a big school with very good inexperienced people (like Beth was at lower levels) who are both competent and have lots of time to devote to following the market full time. Our best people are given a lot to do, often more than big school Associates. |
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Post by sweep on Mar 19, 2022 9:01:30 GMT -6
Goetz wants to follow the conventional wisdom to the letter, but has never done a basketball coach search, so she doesn't know every last aspect of the conventional wisdom. The search firm will make absolutely sure no out-of-the-box candidate sneaks into the picture, and BSU will pay full market price for their choice. Goetz has a huge gender advantage for further promotion and doesn't want to blow it. Agree about not wanting to blow it, but if she sets the parameters and knows what she is looking for how would a candidate slip in that doesn’t meet the criteria. I get the business end of it and the hidden agenda but why not have someone within the athletic department handle some of the preliminary stuff, AD could easily give those parameters to staff and like someone in an earlier post said the resumes/coaches will rose to the top. Here is an example, James Whitford never should have been presented as a viable candidate for a head coaching position based on his long term relationship with a known ass-clown like Sean Miller. Milller is a medicore bench coach and was a disgusting piece of crap long before he headed to Arizona. Yet a search firm sold him as a top option to our AD who didn't know any better. |
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Mar 19, 2022 9:04:38 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Mar 19, 2022 9:04:38 GMT -6
Agree about not wanting to blow it, but if she sets the parameters and knows what she is looking for how would a candidate slip in that doesn’t meet the criteria. I get the business end of it and the hidden agenda but why not have someone within the athletic department handle some of the preliminary stuff, AD could easily give those parameters to staff and like someone in an earlier post said the resumes/coaches will rose to the top. Our best people are given a lot to do.............. That's a laugh........ |
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Sparks
Mar 19, 2022 10:17:47 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 19, 2022 10:17:47 GMT -6
Our best people are given a lot to do.............. That's a laugh........ Really? Not sure you know much about hassle of athletic administration. Or how many highly accomplished administrators we can hire and keep? |
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Post by jburton on Mar 19, 2022 11:24:27 GMT -6
Goetz wants to follow the conventional wisdom to the letter, but has never done a basketball coach search, so she doesn't know every last aspect of the conventional wisdom. The search firm will make absolutely sure no out-of-the-box candidate sneaks into the picture, and BSU will pay full market price for their choice. Goetz has a huge gender advantage for further promotion and doesn't want to blow it. search firms seem to perform two tasks: show due diligence in case a new hire is a dud (deflection/dilution of responsibility) and to serve as a good old boy network for rewarding long time assistants within their network of friends (agree that they will not think outside of the box). |
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Post by purplecats on Mar 19, 2022 13:43:50 GMT -6
Goetz wants to follow the conventional wisdom to the letter, but has never done a basketball coach search, so she doesn't know every last aspect of the conventional wisdom. The search firm will make absolutely sure no out-of-the-box candidate sneaks into the picture, and BSU will pay full market price for their choice. Goetz has a huge gender advantage for further promotion and doesn't want to blow it. search firms seem to perform two tasks: show due diligence in case a new hire is a dud (deflection/dilution of responsibility) and to serve as a good old boy network for rewarding long time assistants within their network of friends (agree that they will not think outside of the box). I agree with the due diligence portion. The ADs who are worth their salt, especially at the mid major level, always have a list of 5 potential candidates in their pocket. Relying on the search firm says that there is less knowledge of the landscape than you would expect of that position. IMHO that goes for the major sports as well as having an idea of the minor sports. Being a Mid you would think is a harder job in that respect than being in a Power Conference where you are not so much in danger of having your coach poached following a little bit of success. |
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 19, 2022 13:59:48 GMT -6
I believe Beth has thought a lot about a replacement and will have a good short list of candidates. She also has a pretty good track record of Coaching hires.
And just because you have a search firm does not mean you can’t have a few of your own candidates!
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Mar 19, 2022 15:02:44 GMT -6
Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Mar 19, 2022 15:02:44 GMT -6
I would bet that Sparks, Sellers, and Jihad are all back here next year if Ball State names a new head coach soon.
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Sparks
Mar 20, 2022 7:05:49 GMT -6
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Mar 20, 2022 7:05:49 GMT -6
I would bet that Sparks, Sellers, and Jihad are all back here next year if Ball State names a new head coach soon. If sparks is really getting big 10 offers he would be dumb to come back to the MAC in any case |
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Post by jburton on Mar 20, 2022 7:36:32 GMT -6
If sparks is really getting big 10 offers he would be dumb to come back to the MAC in any case Why would you say that? Do you honestly believe that the players in the MAC are dumb or they had no options? That's just silly. What is your argument that playing mop up minutes in ANY big ten school is *smarter* then being featured at Ball State? I've never understood that mentality. It's like walking around on (BSU) campus with an IU tee shirt. |
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