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Post by 00hmh on Apr 28, 2022 11:25:25 GMT -6
From what I was told, Coach Lewis was very disappointed that Brown was entering the portal as Brown had performed exceptionally well at Lewis’ practices. My guess is Luke was not comfortable with Coach Lewis’ style of coaching, which is likely more of a Bob Knight style, and you have to respect that as Luke was not recruited by Lewis. I remember Larry Bird only played a couple weeks for Coach Knight at IU before he transferred to Indiana State where he had a pretty good career there. Bird had played at a small high school named Springs Valley in southern Indiana similar to the size of Blackford. Larry Bird did not leave IU because of Knight. Nor did he transfer to ISU. He felt out of place at IU on campus and did not think he wanted college. He went home and got a job.
IU story is he was room mates with Jim Crews who was very Joe College, had money, closets full of clothes and a car. Larry was a bird of a different feather. Knight had a policy that assigned rooms with two kids who were very different. He said afterwards that was one of his greatest mistakes, making that assignment. Crews had no clue and it was too much for Bird to handle. BK says he should have done something afterwards to get Bird back, but did not. It's one of those what if situations. Probably cost another championship or two...
The ISU coach came into the picture much later and cajoled him into going to ISU.
Bird, if he had been established at school, and as close to home, would not have left.
Assuming he is gone, it may be a mistake for Brown if he was doing well.
RMK often gave the most crap to guys who he wanted to be leaders, and wanted others to see that while they were getting reamed for mistakes, so were the stars. Name an IU star of that era and there are accounts of that player being in the doghouse, a lot of the histrionics were just that, known as BK Theater by people around the program. Some of it was just ego and Bob Knight being juvenile. Critics would say psycho...
There were players who could not handle it, or understand it, that's true.
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Post by sweep on Apr 28, 2022 11:32:09 GMT -6
I guess if the kid truly cannot handle hard coaching and "real talk" then we don't want him. Lewis has been selling toughness from day one and that includes mental/emotional toughness. Luke might be able to ball, we don't know for sure yet, but if he cannot handle in your face/tough/demanding/meanie pants talk then maybe he needs to land at a softer spot. More of a Whitford type coach who's content to let the players run the show and do whatever and has a mantra of "that's ok, it happens." He also has to accept .500ish seasons and no championships. Lewis bit back at Bob Knight during a game--he's sure as hell not going to tolerate soft in his own program. He's looking for a certain type of player. If any of our guys ain't it, they can move on and that's fine. The guys who are serious about excellence and winning championships and maxing out their abilities, they'll stay and they'll adapt. Yeah but you can hold players accountable and apply discipline without being an assclown. If he really is chewing out managers there is a problem. I am starting to think we hired DanDakich2.0 |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 28, 2022 11:36:02 GMT -6
I remember when Rick Rowray came to BSU from IU because he got tired of Bob Knight constantly ripping into players. Lewis apparently comes from the same mold and even tears into team managers who are donating their time to the program. That’s in contrast to Power 5.schools like UCLA who pay their managers. Some players and team managers fit this environment and some don’t like Larry Bird and Rowray, who were both excellent collegiate players after they left IU for Indiana State and Ball State. Rowray doesn't really compare to Larry Bird who after all became a legend, but was a case of doing very well at IU in practice, until injury. After that it was going to be a very tough road back to that level. Definitely disliked the BK theater. Never was able to get back to his full ability. He was a solid player at BSU but not the really excellent starter and potential mainstay he might have been in college. I always wondered how much that injury and having to struggle so much, influenced his decision.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 28, 2022 11:38:57 GMT -6
I remember when Rick Rowray came to BSU from IU because he got tired of Bob Knight constantly ripping into players. Lewis apparently comes from the same mold and even tears into team managers who are donating their time to the program. That’s in contrast to Power 5.schools like UCLA who pay their managers. Some players and team managers fit this environment and some don’t like Larry Bird and Rowray, who were both excellent collegiate players after they left IU for Indiana State and Ball State. Rowray doesn't really compare to Larry Bird who after all became a legend, but was a case of doing very well at IU in practice, until injury. After that it was going to be a very tough road back to that level. Definitely disliked the BK theater. Never was able to get back to his full ability. He was a solid player at BSU but not the really excellent starter and potential mainstay he might have been in college. I always wondered how much that injury and having to struggle so much, influenced his decision.
Not sure he really appreciated the Al Brown experience he ended up with. He had to learn to shoot with his off hand because of that injury. Never was quite the same player. Super person. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 28, 2022 11:59:56 GMT -6
I guess if the kid truly cannot handle hard coaching and "real talk" then we don't want him. Lewis has been selling toughness from day one ...He's looking for a certain type of player. If any of our guys ain't it, they can move on and that's fine. The guys who are serious about excellence and winning championships and maxing out their abilities, they'll stay and they'll adapt. I just really doubt he is channeling vintage Bob Knight anyway. He's seen other coaches work. But he will want toughness and will want players to be under pressure in practice. Not just to reinforce attention to detail and really focus on his messages, but to get used to being in tough situations where they just have to perform. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 28, 2022 12:07:30 GMT -6
Lewis bit back at Bob Knight during a game--he's sure as hell not going to tolerate soft in his own program. He's looking for a certain type of player. Yeah but you can hold players accountable and apply discipline without being an assclown. If he really is chewing out managers there is a problem. It could be, but there is value in a coach making life hell and forcing unit cohesion. You never love your drill sergeant in basic training, it's never really fair, it's designed to throw people off, put them under stress. Managers are part of the program. If this all works they share the highs and have been made tougher... |
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Post by reevo on Apr 28, 2022 12:09:42 GMT -6
Horse Shit!!!! We have seen what "soft" and "making players feel comfortable' brought us. F**cking 15 years of below mediocre basketball. Lewis will eventually bring in an entire roster who will feel the same way he does. These kids are now going through a major change in culture and there are going to be a few or more who are not going to be able to hack it including managers. The portal has created opportunities for those who want to leave to do so. I say good riddance and don't let the door hit you in the backside when you go. I don't remember anyone bitching about Majerus or Hunsaker and their tactics. Majerus's language was as bad as Knights and demanded respect in which he got. I think Lewis is a breath of fresh air. If he calls his players f**cking pussies, I will say he knows what he is talking about. Our Board is getting soft!!!!!
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Post by sweep on Apr 28, 2022 12:25:16 GMT -6
Horse Shit!!!! We have seen what "soft" and "making players feel comfortable' brought us. F**cking 15 years of below mediocre basketball. Lewis will eventually bring in an entire roster who will feel the same way he does. These kids are now going through a major change in culture and there are going to be a few or more who are not going to be able to hack it including managers. The portal has created opportunities for those who want to leave to do so. I say good riddance and don't let the door hit you in the backside when you go. I don't remember anyone bitching about Majerus or Hunsaker and their tactics. Majerus's language was as bad as Knights and demanded respect in which he got. I think Lewis is a breath of fresh air. If he calls his players f**cking pussies, I will say he knows what he is talking about. Our Board is getting soft!!!!! Oh really, so Jay Wright, Tom Izzo, Mike K, Brad Stevens, Scott Drew, Tony Bennett, Mark Few etc. are all doing it the wrong way. These guys all coach or coached extremely efficient well disciplined teams without calling guys "pussies" and berating them. |
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Post by bearkitten on Apr 28, 2022 12:29:04 GMT -6
It’s a good thing there is not a portal for managers because BSU would have a few in it!
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Post by bsutrack on Apr 28, 2022 12:35:21 GMT -6
I guess if the kid truly cannot handle hard coaching and "real talk" then we don't want him. Lewis has been selling toughness from day one and that includes mental/emotional toughness. Luke might be able to ball, we don't know for sure yet, but if he cannot handle in your face/tough/demanding/meanie pants talk then maybe he needs to land at a softer spot. More of a Whitford type coach who's content to let the players run the show and do whatever and has a mantra of "that's ok, it happens." He also has to accept .500ish seasons and no championships. Lewis bit back at Bob Knight during a game--he's sure as hell not going to tolerate soft in his own program. He's looking for a certain type of player. If any of our guys ain't it, they can move on and that's fine. The guys who are serious about excellence and winning championships and maxing out their abilities, they'll stay and they'll adapt. Excellent post and totally agree; just wondering how many of that type of player is still around in today's college basketball? Could be the reason Lewis hasn't used any of the 4 scholarships available as of yet. |
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Post by reevo on Apr 28, 2022 12:42:25 GMT -6
Horse Shit!!!! We have seen what "soft" and "making players feel comfortable' brought us. F**cking 15 years of below mediocre basketball. Lewis will eventually bring in an entire roster who will feel the same way he does. These kids are now going through a major change in culture and there are going to be a few or more who are not going to be able to hack it including managers. The portal has created opportunities for those who want to leave to do so. I say good riddance and don't let the door hit you in the backside when you go. I don't remember anyone bitching about Majerus or Hunsaker and their tactics. Majerus's language was as bad as Knights and demanded respect in which he got. I think Lewis is a breath of fresh air. If he calls his players f**cking pussies, I will say he knows what he is talking about. Our Board is getting soft!!!!! Oh really, so Jay Wright, Tom Izzo, Mike K, Brad Stevens, Scott Drew, Tony Bennett, Mark Few etc. are all doing it the wrong way. These guys all coach or coached extremely efficient well disciplined teams without calling guys "pussies" and berating them. Seriously!!! Tom Izzo, Mike K and few of the others will get in your face. I have been to a few Tom Izzo practices and he absolutely gets into his players faces and berates them. So does Drew and so does Coach K. They just don't make it public like Knight and others. Look, I don't want an abuser coaching our kids and Knight was just that. I do want guys like Majerus and Hunsaker who will not put up with any bull shit and will call a player out when and sometimes get into a players ear when it needs to happen. There is nothing wrong with that. Anyone with "delicate sensibilities" need to exit stage left! |
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Post by sweep on Apr 28, 2022 12:46:32 GMT -6
Oh really, so Jay Wright, Tom Izzo, Mike K, Brad Stevens, Scott Drew, Tony Bennett, Mark Few etc. are all doing it the wrong way. These guys all coach or coached extremely efficient well disciplined teams without calling guys "pussies" and berating them. Seriously!!! Tom Izzo, Mike K and few of the others will get in your face. Getting in a guy's face is fine, that isn't the same thing as calling them a "pussy" or chewing out volunteer managers, is it. |
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Post by chirpchirp1980 on Apr 28, 2022 12:47:41 GMT -6
Correct me if I am wrong, but have any of you been to any of the practices/workouts to witness the coaching behaviors you’re talking about? I for one support both Coach Lewis and Luke Brown . . . as well as the other coaches, players, and managers! Go Cards!
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Post by prestonp on Apr 28, 2022 14:03:26 GMT -6
Ventured onto the 'Luke is God FB' and got accused of saying he was kicked off or quit the team by his guardian angel Brian Smith. Delusional is an understatement.
"I want to set something straight… Coach Lewis does not want Luke to leave. They had a conversation prior to Luke entering the portal and Coach Lewis told Luke that he would be supportive of whatever decision that Luke chooses to make. Luke has not been kicked off the team and Luke did not quit the team. He has already signed his scholarship for this next year and they are not going to take that scholarship away. Because the coach that recruited Luke is no longer there, Luke has a “free pass” to go to another school. Luke is simply checking out his options."
I agree with Chirpchirp. Who has witnessed a practice where that coaching behavior was observed? I call BS on that. I also agree with Reevo 100%! The delicate can leave promptly.
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Post by sdacardinal on Apr 28, 2022 14:13:37 GMT -6
Well I knew four players from Madison Heights High School who first played for Phil Buck who didn't tolerate any bull shit from his players and then Bob Knight. They were Bob Wilkerson, Winston Morgan, Stew Robinson, and Ray Tolbert. I knew these players because they attended Madison Heights Jr. High where I taught. I had Ray Tolbert in class. He came from a solid background with all of the right values as did the others mentioned. Their parents did not put up with any crap from them so they were well prepared to face Buck and Knight which they did. two of them were on championship teams. Buck and Bob Leonard were team mates at IU. I attended many practices during my time there and never call his players a derogatory name but would get his point across and would sit players down for messing up but never attacked their character.
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