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Post by lmills72 on May 21, 2022 18:03:43 GMT -6
So what grade would you give Beth Goetz on performance of her duties since becoming AD?
I'm asking because I really don't know the answer. I know there's a lot that goes into the job that I am not either aware of or privy to how things are being done, but I think some of you probably have a better gauge on that.
I know in her four years she's hired 7 coaches, the highest profile ones being Lewis for men's BB and Cruz for men's VB. She's extended Neu, what, twice? And increased his compensation. She got rid of Whitford, something some said she wouldn't be able to do financially, AND she increased the compensation for his eventual replacement. The hiring of Cruz seems to be a home run although it still might be too early to tell for sure. The other hires have been in sports where a successful hire is nice and good but a failed hire won't likely get a BSU AD fired. The hiring of Lewis had a nice initial buzz but we won't really know if that was a good hire for a while yet.
As an overall athletic department, BSU has been on a pretty good run with championships, most prominent football but also the Final Four for men's VB, baseball this year and women's VB in 2 out of the past 3 years. Not sure what, if any, credit Goetz gets for that since most of those coaches were in place when she arrived. Maybe she's done things to help them; maybe they've succeeded in spite of her.
There's also been the building of the indoor practice facility since she arrived, but again not sure how much credit would go to her. I think most of the planning and funding for that was already in place when she arrived, right?
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Post by thebsukid on May 21, 2022 18:47:44 GMT -6
Best we’ve had in the last 20 years for sure!!
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on May 21, 2022 20:27:35 GMT -6
The only knock on her would be how long Whitford hung around. But she got it done faster than most of us expected so credit is due. Otherwise, conf. champs in football, both volleyballs, and women's tennis. I give her an A and think anything less than a B would be hard to defend.
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Post by sweep on May 22, 2022 5:49:35 GMT -6
The only knock on her would be how long Whitford hung around. But she got it done faster than most of us expected so credit is due. Otherwise, conf. champs in football, both volleyballs, and women's tennis. I give her an A and think anything less than a B would be hard to defend. Yeah Whitford was there too long, Nue in reality is still a question mark, and Lewis may or may not be a good coach. I'd give her a solid B. I'd still like an answer to the question why Whitford wasn't fired following the 2020-2021 season when it would have been a lot cleaner. |
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Post by loganberrie on May 24, 2022 13:03:55 GMT -6
If you ask coaches at BSU that have been around the past 20 years they would tell you Bill Scholl was clearly the best AD in the past 20 years. Scholl had excellent relationships with all the coaches and was very well respected by anyone who knew him.
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Post by 00hmh on May 24, 2022 13:59:39 GMT -6
Scholl was first class, was in place for some good things on the field. Had good rapport with nearly everyone.
Looked like a great fit when hired and I thought he'd be here longer. Got the job he really wanted.
He didn't do nearly as much as Beth to make changes. Either he was not here long enough to do much, or willing to put up with a department that needed changes.
Beth came in and cleaned up some things that needed it.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 26, 2022 17:36:26 GMT -6
Negatives: Readily plays the stupid woke game and the stupid, money-wasting MAC football game. Granted these are deeply ingrained and would be difficult to buck, but Goetz is simply part of both problems. Let Whitford linger around like a bad fart odor for way too long.
Positives: MIGHT have made a good hire in Lewis, but nobody knows yet.
Overall: D
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 26, 2022 18:46:38 GMT -6
Negatives: Readily plays the stupid woke game and the stupid, money-wasting MAC football game. Granted these are deeply ingrained and would be difficult to buck, but Goetz is simply part of both problems. Let Whitford linger around like a bad fart odor for way too long. Positives: MIGHT have made a good hire in Lewis, but nobody knows yet. Overall: D D that's rough I agree with the Whit part but Atletics as a whole are pretty good right now |
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Post by 00hmh on May 26, 2022 21:04:43 GMT -6
Grading down on being AD and promoting FB when the MAC Presidents make that call is just silly. We could all agree FB is a huge problem but not one our AD can alter.
I'm also not sure how she plays "woke" other than carrying out University policy. That she runs the department well and heads up successful programs is the grade criterion.
Whitford's tenure can be criticized. So I get that component. But there were financial constraints and she should get credit for carrying out the search once that barrier was met(a close call). We surely cannot criticize her for failure to adopt the Sherman Plan.
If what Sherm is criticizing as woke is that she is a proponent of women's programs and that's what he is talking about that is NCAA policy not to mention Federal law. If it was supporting black athletes in their protests that is also something every AD in America did. And again the MAC Presidents did.
Maybe EVERY MAC AD gets a D on Sherman's curve?
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Post by sweep on May 27, 2022 4:28:26 GMT -6
Whitford's tenure can be criticized. So I get that component. But there were financial constraints ............. And those supposedly debilitating financial constraints suddenly vanished 12 months later ? That's bullshit. The money was always there to terminate Whitford. I don't know if it was Goetz or Mearns, but someone f'ed that situation up. |
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Post by sweep on May 27, 2022 4:43:01 GMT -6
Negatives: Readily plays the stupid woke game and the stupid, money-wasting MAC football game. Granted these are deeply ingrained and would be difficult to buck, but Goetz is simply part of both problems. Let Whitford linger around like a bad fart odor for way too long. Positives: MIGHT have made a good hire in Lewis, but nobody knows yet. Overall: D D that's rough I agree with the Whit part but Atletics as a whole are pretty good right now That's because some of you guys are overrating Neu and the Covid year football championship. Sorry but at this point that looks like a circumstantial fluke, kind of like IU almost winning the Big Ten that year. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 27, 2022 5:09:37 GMT -6
Whitford's tenure can be criticized. So I get that component. But there were financial constraints ............. And those supposedly debilitating financial constraints suddenly vanished 12 months later ? That's bullshit. The money was always there to terminate Whitford. I don't know if it was Goetz or Mearns, but someone f'ed that situation up. No. Two things. New money was there and they waited until the buyout was smaller. There was not enough there this year for a two year buyout. At the time of the last extension they were not ready to do a search because of budget uncertainty with Covid and other pressing priorities. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 27, 2022 5:13:16 GMT -6
D that's rough I agree with the Whit part but Atletics as a whole are pretty good right now That's because some of you guys are overrating Neu and the Covid year football championship. Sorry but at this point that looks like a circumstantial fluke, kind of like IU almost winning the Big Ten that year. So a BSU program loses, the AD is to blame. A program or multiple programs win, no credit to AD and coaches, just a fluke? |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on May 27, 2022 5:48:38 GMT -6
Negatives: Readily plays the stupid woke game and the stupid, money-wasting MAC football game. Granted these are deeply ingrained and would be difficult to buck, but Goetz is simply part of both problems. Let Whitford linger around like a bad fart odor for way too long. Positives: MIGHT have made a good hire in Lewis, but nobody knows yet. Overall: D D that's rough I agree with the Whit part but Atletics as a whole are pretty good right now Contrarians gonna contrary. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on May 27, 2022 5:49:55 GMT -6
D that's rough I agree with the Whit part but Atletics as a whole are pretty good right now That's because some of you guys are overrating Neu and the Covid year football championship. Sorry but at this point that looks like a circumstantial fluke, kind of like IU almost winning the Big Ten that year. But are we grading her based on how things stand today or how we expect her to do in the future? My grade is based on results today. It would have been different the day before she fired Whitford and it will be different the day after she fails to fire Neu once he deserves to be fired. But to hold a speculated failure against her is unfair. The reality today is that Neu was fireable, she stuck with him, and it paid off with a championship. Fluke or not, there’s a trophy in the case and you dont fire a champ coach one year after the championship. Add baseball regular season championship to the list. Edit: I would also add that my grade of Neu would be pretty harsh. A bunch of miserable seasons and one lightning in a bottle championship. I really hope he can get results this year. |
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