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Post by sweep on May 31, 2022 13:13:06 GMT -6
Agreed, I don't believe that the athletic dept couldn't afford to buy 1 yr of Whit salary. At a minimum they could of refused to extend him for that matter. I do not know how you think they were going to find the buyout money. Certainly not in the budget without making cuts in programs already pared to the bone.
Our athletic budget is almost $30,000,000 a year, quit acting like BSU exists on a shoestring. You are clueless. No wonder you have a job where you aren't allowed to spend a dime. |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 31, 2022 15:30:53 GMT -6
I think I'm coming around to an "F" grade. It occurs to me that Goetz and other MAC AD's are among the very biggest beneficiaries of the MAC sports scam. They are given budgets far beyond what is justified by interest in the sports, and the budgets are financed by the student fees. The large budget helps justify a large salary, but more importantly burnishes their credentials for what they really want: a move up to a big time program (where the large budgets are actually justified by large revenues). People seem to think she should be graded on her relative competence in perpetuation of the scam. I tend to think her full and (for her) very profitable participation in the scam warrants a poor grade.
It is amusing how people in this thread suggest that things like a softball coach hire might be considered in the grade. As if the fate of the softball program makes any difference whatsoever to anyone at all besides the athletes and their "fanbase" which could probably fit inside a Prius, with room to spare. So you all will just have to forgive me as I think active, self-profitable participation in an ugly multi-million dollar scam on the students is a bigger factor in my grade than the quality of the softball hire.
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Post by 00hmh on May 31, 2022 16:19:27 GMT -6
C'mon Sherm. You are grading the MAC. Not the AD.
How would Beth earn a grade from you? She can't singlehandedly drop FB. Or Women's sports.
Nothing you name is within her control.
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Post by 00hmh on May 31, 2022 16:29:21 GMT -6
I do not know how you think they were going to find the buyout money. Certainly not in the budget without making cuts in programs already pared to the bone. Our athletic budget is almost $30,000,000 a year, quit acting like BSU exists on a shoestring. You are clueless. No wonder you have a job where you aren't allowed to spend a dime.
I don't see the 30 million dollars there?
Whatever the accurate number is, it is less than the budgets for the schools at top in MAC BB. Not a sign of a fat budget. Pretty lean.
About 2/3 of any budget in athletics is contract professional salaries, athletic scholarships, and coaching salaries. About 10% is travel, mostly for competition. S&E including basketballs, facilities and other expenses eat up money. Look at those line items when you get accurate numbers and it's cutting budget "waste" somewhere isn't so easy.
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Post by rgmillikan on May 31, 2022 19:24:36 GMT -6
I think I'm coming around to an "F" grade. It occurs to me that Goetz and other MAC AD's are among the very biggest beneficiaries of the MAC sports scam. They are given budgets far beyond what is justified by interest in the sports, and the budgets are financed by the student fees. The large budget helps justify a large salary, but more importantly burnishes their credentials for what they really want: a move up to a big time program (where the large budgets are actually justified by large revenues). People seem to think she should be graded on her relative competence in perpetuation of the scam. I tend to think her full and (for her) very profitable participation in the scam warrants a poor grade. It is amusing how people in this thread suggest that things like a softball coach hire might be considered in the grade. As if the fate of the softball program makes any difference whatsoever to anyone at all besides the athletes and their "fanbase" which could probably fit inside a Prius, with room to spare. So you all will just have to forgive me as I think active, self-profitable participation in an ugly multi-million dollar scam on the students is a bigger factor in my grade than the quality of the softball hire. So in other words, who she hires in non revenue sports basically shouldn't matter even if she hired completely incompetent morons because the fanbases are small? And every BSU AD this century has participated in this football scam you refer to so I'm not sure how relevant that is to evaluating an AD. |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 31, 2022 20:06:53 GMT -6
So in other words, who she hires in non revenue sports basically shouldn't matter even if she hired completely incompetent morons because the fanbases are small? You got it. Of course it makes some difference to the athletes, but they get their school paid for by their fellow students anyway...which is the point of the whole thing. It would be practically an impossibility to hire someone SO incompetent as to make a difference beyond the team, and, I suppose, their parents. What kind of incompetent episode could conceivably make some difference to the university as a whole? Who would notice? Outside of doing something actually criminal, it's hard to imagine anything the softball coach could do to get noticed by more than 0.1% of the student body. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 10, 2022 4:33:46 GMT -6
Now you are grading the job you want her to have, not the one she has. An AD in the real world has to run the whole department well. You can't downgrade her for actually doing the job assigned, and doing it well.
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Post by sweep on Jun 10, 2022 5:32:09 GMT -6
An AD in the real world has to run the whole department well. Really, so you think Fred Glass was fired for how he handled IU's swim team. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 10, 2022 7:10:20 GMT -6
An AD in the real world has to run the whole department well. Really, so you think Fred Glass was fired for how he handled IU's swim team. Yeah, right BSU and IU jobs are so similar...
It's not just that big is money involved at IU, and 10's of thousands of people actually attend the major sporting events, state and national media follow the teams, but alumni really care about IU sports as well as fund the programs.
I have no great admiration for how the IU administration runs its athletics, he was AD there for more than a decade with real controversy over the headline BB program throughout that time and still kept his job. He walks away, gets a great job and writes a book about his successes with the FB team. The two programs live in different universes. I am not sure IU counts as the real world measure we should use.
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Post by sweep on Jun 10, 2022 10:39:34 GMT -6
Really, so you think Fred Glass was fired for how he handled IU's swim team. Yeah, right BSU and IU jobs are so similar...
Oh okay, way to backpedal. |
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Post by BSUBeachBum on Jun 13, 2022 22:29:02 GMT -6
I would suggest that you begin by reading the "Onward" Strategic Plan created by AD Beth Goetz and approved by Our BSU President & BSU Board. Is the AD meeting the goals set - YES? Is the AD trying to make a point to make the budget responsive to needs for teams per each year - zero-budgeting - YES? Is the AD evaluating her/his employees - Firing Whitford, obtaining a New Men's Volleyball Coach, etc. - YES? Did the the AD get us through a tough COVID-19 period - YES? Have we improved our athlete teams' APR ratings - YES? Are we seeing major problems coming from our athletic program making the reputation of the BSU institution poor - NO? Giving a D or F rating is just poor judgement(Sherman). I would consider (Sherman) a poor "F" rated BSU Fan. I hope you all continue supporting all our teams via attendance & donations for making improvements to our facilities and our teams. Have a great 2022-2023. Go Cards!
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