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Post by 00hmh on May 27, 2022 9:11:20 GMT -6
The buyout and expenditure for new coach this year was touch and go, as I posted some time ago. The money use was originally intended to be be spent in slightly different other ways. To make this year's decision was no slam dunk, and Beth and the President deserve credit for figuring it out. As it is we can't be clear how it impacts other programs. Without directing the new money almost entirely to BB we certainly would have had potentially severe consequences.
You are fighting really hard, but your post contains nothing that explains why the can was kicked down the road. You are just introducing new talking points in an attempt to cloud the issue. Not at all. Just the same two factors which created a need to extend. Budget uncertainty and balancing other priorities preventing long term serious commitment to a new coach. |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 27, 2022 11:17:41 GMT -6
Goetz is a thorough going establishment creature doing only establishment things in the most establishment-approved, status quo way. If she has an original thought in her head, I've never heard her express it.
The establishment in question is MAC sports, which is a nasty little money transfer scam benefitting a small number of athletes that have either no fanbase at all (most sports) or else a tiny fanbase that can't come anywhere near paying the huge 8-figure bills (football). The cost of this racket falls on the student body through "fees". If you like this scam, or are a beneficiary of it (football fans), then you should give Goetz an "A", or a "B" at worst. She didn't do anything to create the racket, but she's helping to keep it on the rails. Of course, if she was inclined to think or say sensible, honest things about MAC football, she would never in a million years have been hired to that position.
Me, I think the scam is indefensible and sort of sickening. Also basketball is the one sport that has the potential to be a net benefit to the university, and in that Goetz allowed Whitford, who was pretty much guaranteeing the program would NOT become a net benefit to BSU, to hang around for years longer than necessary. She finally made the move to try a coach who MIGHT work out, so that saves her from getting an "F" from me.
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Post by 00hmh on May 27, 2022 15:05:15 GMT -6
Goetz is a thorough going establishment creature doing only establishment things in the most establishment-approved, status quo way. If she has an original thought in her head, I've never heard her express it. Can you name an AD which does not SAY more or less the same things? AD is not a job for some iconclastic rebel.
What is important is what she DOES. Far more important is whether she makes good management decisions. In order to have a chance to create change and manage well, to have a job, she can hardly spend time crusading against the will of her boss and the BOT.
Which leads to: ...She didn't do anything to create the racket, but she's helping to keep it on the rails. Of course, if she was inclined to think or say sensible, honest things about MAC football, she would never in a million years have been hired to that position. I take it you would grade her highly if she derailed the FB program? Lost her job? Or never got it... ...Also basketball is the one sport that has the potential to be a net benefit to the university, and in that Goetz allowed Whitford, who was pretty much guaranteeing the program would NOT become a net benefit to BSU, to hang around for years longer than necessary. Those decisions are debatable, downgrade her if you disagree with them, but I guarantee she had higher administration input on those decisions and the last extension was a good one. |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 27, 2022 16:06:21 GMT -6
Goetz is a thorough going establishment creature doing only establishment things in the most establishment-approved, status quo way. If she has an original thought in her head, I've never heard her express it. Can you name an AD which does not SAY more or less the same things? Indeed I can't. In fact, if you were to surgically remove the brain of every MAC AD, mix them up and randomly replace them in the various skulls, it would be long time before anyone noticed....if ever. I might also remark that, while you were executing this process, the 12 brains could collectively fit into a standard sized sandwich baggie to be carried about. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 27, 2022 16:16:48 GMT -6
Except Beth. She is exceptional.
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Post by CallingBS on May 27, 2022 20:28:11 GMT -6
I give her a D at best. It took her way too long to can Whitford, she totally botched the dancing charlie logo, everything she does is political, and she's absolutely horrible with donors.
As noted, the Neu championship was a farce, and the next few years will further prove that.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 27, 2022 22:23:07 GMT -6
It is true that we had someone step up and make the buyout and hire possible.
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Post by sweep on May 28, 2022 5:19:18 GMT -6
It is true that we had someone step up and make the buyout and hire possible. This is a large State University, if BSU can't afford to pay-off one year of a coaches contract something is seriously wrong. We can probably find plenty of waste in the budgets of our seven Associate and Deputy Athletic Directors. Goetz is now getting a C-................It should never take an Angel Donor to facilitate something this routine. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 28, 2022 8:18:08 GMT -6
Fundraising is a gradeable part of the Ads job.
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2022 8:41:50 GMT -6
It is true that we had someone step up and make the buyout and hire possible. This is a large State University, if BSU can't afford to pay-off one year of a coaches contract something is seriously wrong. We can probably find plenty of waste in the budgets of our seven Associate and Deputy Athletic Directors. This is a large state university with a budget problem. We agree. Many would agree with a need to cut athletic spending for other priorities in athletics, just as they did when we dropped track and field make sure we met legal requirements and preserved football spending.
But if we are going to look at cost cutting in an area losing millions every year, I don't see the expenditure of several hundred thousand dollars to be able to hire a new coach in basketball would stand out as a great first step.
Not to mention that other areas in the University might argue reasonably there are many other higher priorities for using the funds.
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2022 8:53:55 GMT -6
Fundraising is a gradeable part of the Ads job. That is a reasonable criterion for grading.
I am not sure how you apportion the grade there among the various other people involved in deciding how the University sets fund raising priorities and use of gifts made that are unrestricted. To make an ask for a major gift, or in particular a gift for a designated purpose is not always within the discretion of a Department.
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2022 8:59:34 GMT -6
It is true that we had someone step up and make the buyout and hire possible. Even then the timing of the expenditure and use of other sources of funds for it had to be approved until the gift pledge actually would be fulfilled. Major gifts are rarely made in a lump sum immediately available. |
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Post by sweep on May 28, 2022 9:11:38 GMT -6
This is a large State University, if BSU can't afford to pay-off one year of a coaches contract something is seriously wrong. We can probably find plenty of waste in the budgets of our seven Associate and Deputy Athletic Directors. I don't see the expenditure of several hundred thousand dollars to be able to hire a new coach in basketball would stand out as a great first step.
You don't think the athletic department should carry a reserve fund to pay for off-budget items like this. I'll bet just the travel budget for our Athletic Department administrators runs in six figures every year. The first thing I would do is order a surprise independent audit of the entire athletic department and determine exactly where the money is being spent. My guess is there is waste everywhere, from overpriced and unneeded vendor contracts to employee pilferage and malfeasance. |
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Post by thebsukid on May 28, 2022 9:27:31 GMT -6
Goetz has done a very good job given some of the restrictions created by Ball State. Her Coaching hires have been very solid and keeping Neu was what most alumni would have favored....seemed to pay off...two bowl games. Did she go to long with Whit or did someone above her make that call? Looks like Lewis was another good hire albeit we'll need some time to determine.
Fortunately, most of the board seems to see it similar in that she received 19 votes of A or B with only 4 outlyer votes.
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Post by 00hmh on May 28, 2022 10:30:31 GMT -6
I don't see the expenditure of several hundred thousand dollars to be able to hire a new coach in basketball would stand out as a great first step.
I'll bet just the travel budget for our Athletic Department administrators runs in six figures every year. The first thing I would do is order a surprise independent audit of the entire athletic department and determine exactly where the money is being spent. My guess is there is waste everywhere, from overpriced and unneeded vendor contracts to employee pilferage and malfeasance. Sounds so easy. But for example how do you decide what the travel budget should be? Almost all university travel is watched closely and approved by an administrator. Much is paid for out of Foundation accounts.
Waste? How does an auditor define that? Assuming you detect this waste how exactly to do you reduce it without administrative cost? |
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