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Post by 00hmh on Sept 17, 2022 18:52:30 GMT -6
We went from Riley Neal who was ok to Drew Plitt to another ok QB. Wonder whose fault that is? I’m not anti-Paddock at all. Neu worked with a HOF QB. He worked around a great offense in New Orleans. Ball State doesn’t have Drew Brees or Alvin Kamara. I just haven’t seen the creativity I expected to see with him as coach. Totally agree with the fact that some the back-ups should have gotten snaps today. Maybe late in the game? But, I doubt it would have been a big plus.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Sept 17, 2022 18:58:23 GMT -6
I do not understand Neu’s unwillingness to throw it in the middle of the field. The WR’s end up having to make these high risk/high reward catches. Paddock is……serviceable. Can't we attribute part, most or even all of this to the height, or lack thereof of our QB ?? Conversations for the past four years have been about him being so short. We're getting 3 and 4 deflections a game and probably don't want to risk having more if we tried to throw over the middle. I have no doubt that is a lot of it. I don’t remember throwing across the middle being a big part of Neu’s plan (I could totally be wrong in this). I would love to see them use Jayshon to line up in the slot to run some drag routes across the middle. A MAC defense would be hard pressed to stop that.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 17, 2022 19:19:11 GMT -6
Totally agree with the fact that some the back-ups should have gotten snaps today. Maybe late in the game? But, I doubt it would have been a big plus. I think your missing the point no one thinks it’s going to help today or even this year. I think most of us have moved on and are talking big picture and future seasons
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Post by david75bsu on Sept 17, 2022 19:34:54 GMT -6
It was nice to get a win, but it was a boring game with the exception of the defense holding the line - doesn’t matter the problems the team is having.
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Post by coastalcard on Sept 17, 2022 19:49:58 GMT -6
We just seem to have lost our MOJO after Beth left
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 17, 2022 19:52:04 GMT -6
We just seem to have lost our MOJO after Beth left She’s not gone I talked to her and Lewis today
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Post by CallingBS on Sept 17, 2022 19:57:01 GMT -6
Can't we attribute part, most or even all of this to the height, or lack thereof of our QB ?? Conversations for the past four years have been about him being so short. We're getting 3 and 4 deflections a game and probably don't want to risk having more if we tried to throw over the middle. I have no doubt that is a lot of it. I don’t remember throwing across the middle being a big part of Neu’s plan (I could totally be wrong in this). I would love to see them use Jayshon to line up in the slot to run some drag routes across the middle. A MAC defense would be hard pressed to stop that. His short stature and lack of athleticism plays a huge part in it. They underuse Jackson and overuse Steele. We are very easy to defend.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 17, 2022 20:00:38 GMT -6
One more thing for three weeks now we have seen Paddock get rid of nearly every pass within 2 seconds. This has to be by design but why. We can’t take deep shots cause the receivers are not superman. Is it we just want horizontal quick hitters or is by necessity because our line is not good for more than two seconds. If it’s the line we are screwed
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Post by cardfan on Sept 17, 2022 20:13:06 GMT -6
One more thing for three weeks now we have seen Paddock get rid of nearly every pass within 2 seconds. This has to be by design but why. We can’t take deep shots cause the receivers are not superman. Is it we just want horizontal quick hitters or is by necessity because our line is not good for more than two seconds. If it’s the line we are screwed There were 3 or 4 today where I thought, just be patient and wait a tick and it’s a big play. Wrs aren’t getting time for separation further downfield. ON the short throws they aren’t even getting a chance to turn upfield. way too many passes that gain one yard. What’s the point? Steele gets a yard by accident. the play calling just gets weird, like x play was working well so let’s go totally away from it. Conversely, x play just doesn’t work at all so let’s keep doing it. (Like the jet sweep, that only Justin Hall was successful with) without better execution our unimaginative game plans and play calls just aren’t going to be good enough the rest of the way. Steele off tackle 30 times a game is Paul Schudel football. Doesn’t work so well in todays game. If our Qb is the best passer Neu has had then why doesn’t the offense take advantage of that? (Paddock is a statue so they HAVE to run what they do because the ball has to go out quick. He can’t move around and extend plays.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 17, 2022 20:15:43 GMT -6
Maybe late in the game? But, I doubt it would have been a big plus. I think your missing the point no one thinks it’s going to help today or even this year. I think most of us have moved on and are talking big picture and future seasons I get that. I don't think a few snaps today means much a year from now or longer. Practice and Spring are where that will happen. Coaches have a lot to work on for this year...no luxury to worry much about next.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 17, 2022 20:34:04 GMT -6
I think your missing the point no one thinks it’s going to help today or even this year. I think most of us have moved on and are talking big picture and future seasons I get that. I don't think a few snaps today means much a year from now or longer. Practice and Spring are where that will happen. Coaches have a lot to work on for this year...no luxury to worry much about next. it was obvious we could have put cardfan in at Qb and win this game. It was obvious we could have put Peyton manning out there against TN and lost. So you play a different qb the mid way through 3rd and the 4th. The staff gets an idea of what a qb will bring. Had we done that with paddock over a 5 year period the need to have this experiment might not be needed
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Post by cardfan on Sept 17, 2022 20:56:15 GMT -6
I get that. I don't think a few snaps today means much a year from now or longer. Practice and Spring are where that will happen. Coaches have a lot to work on for this year...no luxury to worry much about next. it was obvious we could have put cardfan in at Qb and win this game. It was obvious we could have put Peyton manning out there against TN and lost. So you play a different qb the mid way through 3rd and the 4th. The staff gets an idea of what a qb will bring. Had we done that with paddock over a 5 year period the need to have this experiment might not be needed I could absolutely hand that ball off at an all mac level AND I guarantee I’d get as many yards rushing as Paddock did.
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 18, 2022 6:56:21 GMT -6
I think playing the backups, particularly at QB, in a game like this has several advantages.
If the kid does well, maybe it opens the coaches' eyes to what the kid can bring to the table. That doesn't necessarily mean he becomes the starter next week, but maybe they see something that will be useful later in the season. Maybe the kid looks a little different playing against another defense. Maybe they get into position where they're forced to make a play outside the practice norms and they show us some things we haven't seen before.
If the kid fails, it's not going to scar them for life, and there are at least 2 benefits.
One, it gets the fanbase off the coach's ass. I know that we, as a fanbase, probably don't create a bunch of heat on Neu's seat, but there's certainly some discontentment. Part of that discontent has to do with with QB play. Show us the backups suck and we don't gripe quite as much, at least about that.
Two, and maybe most importantly, it gives the young QBs some realistic information to use in making future transfer decisions. Let's say Blazek or Kelly are sitting on the sideline watching Paddock's third tipped pass of the game and the tape that keeps running in their head says, "Man I can do better than that." And that same tape is on repeat in the heads of all their family members and former coaches and friends, all telling that player "you are so much better than that starting QB." Now, if they never get a chance to play, that's all they're ever going to hear, and they're going to bounce. But, if they get a chance to go out there and make some mistakes -- they throw a pick six, they fumble a snap/handoff, they hold the ball too long, they make a bad read, they throw the ball all over the field ... then they've got some solid information on where they stand. And maybe all those voices that were telling them how great they were are now telling them that maybe they need to stick it out and work a little harder. Maybe the tape now says, "You threw a pick 6 and were 1-7 against an FCS team and you think you're going to go some place else and set the world on fire? Maybe you should think again."
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Post by mattg on Sept 18, 2022 7:32:17 GMT -6
One more thing for three weeks now we have seen Paddock get rid of nearly every pass within 2 seconds. This has to be by design but why. We can’t take deep shots cause the receivers are not superman. Is it we just want horizontal quick hitters or is by necessity because our line is not good for more than two seconds. If it’s the line we are screwed I have noticed this too. Also our first 2 games were against teams that have very good defensive lines, so maybe the quick hitting style was on purpose. Get the ball out quick to avoid the sack. Maybe Paddock prefers that style of offense? We had more time to throw today, but like you said after about 2 seconds of being in the pocket the ball came out. Some of these “early” throws were definitely way off and timing was a problem.
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Post by mattg on Sept 18, 2022 7:34:38 GMT -6
One more thing for three weeks now we have seen Paddock get rid of nearly every pass within 2 seconds. This has to be by design but why. We can’t take deep shots cause the receivers are not superman. Is it we just want horizontal quick hitters or is by necessity because our line is not good for more than two seconds. If it’s the line we are screwed There were 3 or 4 today where I thought, just be patient and wait a tick and it’s a big play. Wrs aren’t getting time for separation further downfield. ON the short throws they aren’t even getting a chance to turn upfield. way too many passes that gain one yard. What’s the point? Steele gets a yard by accident. the play calling just gets weird, like x play was working well so let’s go totally away from it. Conversely, x play just doesn’t work at all so let’s keep doing it. (Like the jet sweep, that only Justin Hall was successful with) without better execution our unimaginative game plans and play calls just aren’t going to be good enough the rest of the way. Steele off tackle 30 times a game is Paul Schudel football. Doesn’t work so well in todays game. If our Qb is the best passer Neu has had then why doesn’t the offense take advantage of that? (Paddock is a statue so they HAVE to run what they do because the ball has to go out quick. He can’t move around and extend plays. One could think we were playing vanilla-type plays from an outside perspective. We are definitely not good enough to be doing that though. Each game we need to work on improvement and building upon successes, regardless of who might see it on tape.
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