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Post by cardfan on Nov 9, 2022 11:52:00 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong but we rarely/never play action fake to Steele. The defense keys on him so much wouldn't this open things up? you are correct. Play action does not seem to be a thing we use. It would totally get linebackers and safeties to take a step forward and give receivers and TE's a chance to get a step, but, nope. Also, we refuse to use misdirection. Fake to Steele running left and roll right and see what might happen. Problem is, Paddock just doesn't move well enough to make it all that effective I guess. If he was ANY kind of threat to keep it on an RPO and he'd get yards with the d keying so hard on Steele. But again, that doesn't exist for us. Plitt wasn't a great runner but he was able to occasionally keep it and get a little bit. StarPress beat writer asking the same questions about the QB play, as in, shouldn't Neu reevaluate the position...... |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 9, 2022 12:03:01 GMT -6
The fact that the team has the chance to win 6-7 games is an accomplishment most did not expect. However, IMO the team is where it is because of the defense and Steele. I had hoped Paddock might be something unexpectedly special, but I only truly expected decent and we aren't even getting that. "Decent" would have won last night's game. I believe there have been two moves during Neu's tenure that are the foundation of most of the team's success. One was replacing Neal with Plitt. The other was firing the old DC. I don't think Neu made either of those moves willingly. I've really wanted to like Neu from day one. In fact, I loved the hire in the beginning, but now I just see him as a decent recruiter and a good lockerroom/ culture guy, but a horrible decision-maker, really bad strategist, and a guy that has near zero (not quite as bad as Whitford, but close) social equity with campus or the community. I personally think his inability to develop Riley Neal speaks volumes. I know Lembo did some damage to Riley's psyche, but I would've thought Mike was just the right person to bring him along. This is not going to sit well, but I think Riley was the most physically gifted QB we've ever had. Maybe not quite the toughest and definitely not the smartest, but he and Jeremie Tyler are two of the biggest coaching gaffes in BSU history. And before you say he sucked, we saw multiple flashes of brilliance from Riley before Pete tried to reel him in for whatever reason, so the ability to excel was in there. Riley could both run and sling it, but somewhere along the way his talents were diminished and/ or not used and his will to win died. As for the current QB situation, I'd like to know what the real deal is, because Paddock is just awful in really every way. Is Neu that loyal, is our offensive scheme meant to diminish the role of the QB (sure seems like it), are the recruits not really that good, or have we just sucked at developing them? Or....all of the above? Steele, look folks, he's as good as gone in my eyes. Then Neu has nothing, nada, zilch, zero. Can you imagine this team without Steele??? Riley had the physical tools to be an unbelievable RPO QB with his ability to run. We could have kept defenses on their heels all game long, but instead Neu tried to make him be a pocket passer only. Clipped his wings, and pocket passing was not his strong point. Had a laser rocket arm but couldn't use it just sitting in the pocket. I don't think he could read defenses very well and was reluctant to pull the trigger. But get him out on the perimeter and tell him to just go make plays, damn he could have been special. He had some huge games as a freshman, but Lembo did reign him in for some reason. Was never the same after his 3 or 4 game explosion that year. If we are able to keep Semonza, I'd commit to making him the day 1 starter unless Blazek flat beats him out. He's got great feel in the pocket, can move, and is really accurate. He gets the ball downfield. I doubt Kelly will stick around. I think that ship has sailed and we'll never know if he can play at BSU. I would do everything possible to force Paddock to earn the job and if he's just not up to snuff, do NOT make him the starter out of loyalty or "he's a great leader." He's such a great leader that we've lost one possession games because he couldn't make plays. Seems to be a great kid, tough, a gamer, fiery, all that, but, not the type of QB that wins in today's college football. Rarely do pocket passers flourish now. They have to have other tools in their bag and he's quite simply a one trick pony who's one trick only really worked for a handful of games. Also, If I'm Neu I take a SERIOUS look at the OC and the schemes. Are we doing our best there? Are we maximizing the talent we have? Are we developing the best talent we have and getting it on the field? I sure don't think so. We're gonna lose Steele. Do they have a replacement? (plus we're getting the kid killed by not having any other options right now) We NEED to replace the QB- do we or will we have that? We need a more open and flowing offense--that ever going to become a thing? At this point I'd take Joey Lynch over Kevin every day of the week, and we had issues with Joey. Need a totally new and fresh approach to our offense. |
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Post by officerfarva on Nov 9, 2022 12:15:47 GMT -6
I've really wanted to like Neu from day one. In fact, I loved the hire in the beginning, but now I just see him as a decent recruiter and a good lockerroom/ culture guy, but a horrible decision-maker, really bad strategist, and a guy that has near zero (not quite as bad as Whitford, but close) social equity with campus or the community. I personally think his inability to develop Riley Neal speaks volumes. I know Lembo did some damage to Riley's psyche, but I would've thought Mike was just the right person to bring him along. This is not going to sit well, but I think Riley was the most physically gifted QB we've ever had. Maybe not quite the toughest and definitely not the smartest, but he and Jeremie Tyler are two of the biggest coaching gaffes in BSU history. And before you say he sucked, we saw multiple flashes of brilliance from Riley before Pete tried to reel him in for whatever reason, so the ability to excel was in there. Riley could both run and sling it, but somewhere along the way his talents were diminished and/ or not used and his will to win died. As for the current QB situation, I'd like to know what the real deal is, because Paddock is just awful in really every way. Is Neu that loyal, is our offensive scheme meant to diminish the role of the QB (sure seems like it), are the recruits not really that good, or have we just sucked at developing them? Or....all of the above? Steele, look folks, he's as good as gone in my eyes. Then Neu has nothing, nada, zilch, zero. Can you imagine this team without Steele??? Riley had the physical tools to be an unbelievable RPO QB with his ability to run. We could have kept defenses on their heels all game long, but instead Neu tried to make him be a pocket passer only. Clipped his wings, and pocket passing was not his strong point. Had a laser rocket arm but couldn't use it just sitting in the pocket. I don't think he could read defenses very well and was reluctant to pull the trigger. But get him out on the perimeter and tell him to just go make plays, damn he could have been special. He had some huge games as a freshman, but Lembo did reign him in for some reason. Was never the same after his 3 or 4 game explosion that year. If we are able to keep Semonza, I'd commit to making him the day 1 starter unless Blazek flat beats him out. He's got great feel in the pocket, can move, and is really accurate. He gets the ball downfield. I doubt Kelly will stick around. I think that ship has sailed and we'll never know if he can play at BSU. I would do everything possible to force Paddock to earn the job and if he's just not up to snuff, do NOT make him the starter out of loyalty or "he's a great leader." He's such a great leader that we've lost one possession games because he couldn't make plays. Seems to be a great kid, tough, a gamer, fiery, all that, but, not the type of QB that wins in today's college football. Rarely do pocket passers flourish now. They have to have other tools in their bag and he's quite simply a one trick pony who's one trick only really worked for a handful of games. Also, If I'm Neu I take a SERIOUS look at the OC and the schemes. Are we doing our best there? Are we maximizing the talent we have? Are we developing the best talent we have and getting it on the field? I sure don't think so. We're gonna lose Steele. Do they have a replacement? (plus we're getting the kid killed by not having any other options right now) We NEED to replace the QB- do we or will we have that? We need a more open and flowing offense--that ever going to become a thing? At this point I'd take Joey Lynch over Kevin every day of the week, and we had issues with Joey. Need a totally new and fresh approach to our offense. I read every word of this. Your argument is compelling, based in logic, sensible, and if Semonza flat out beats Paddock out for the starters job, it would potentially pay huge dividends 2 - 3 years down the road. All that being said, there is absolutely no way that anyone other than Paddock is the Game 1 starter next season. Neu won't have it any other way. He could get both arms lopped off like the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and Neu would still roll him out there because he's a great locker room guy. Neu's inability to really develop a next-level quarterback has been a total drag and a major disappointment. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 9, 2022 12:21:48 GMT -6
Give one of the backup QB’s a drive or two. That won’t destroy team chemistry and might actually provide a spark. I do agree that our WR’s have been very disappointing and also deserve some blame for the poor passing game. TE’s are our most dangerous threat, but we need more dynamic plays from the WR’s. No separation, lack of effort, average hands, poor play. Hard to argue otherwise. The only time I've seen Neu give another QB a drive was very intentionally to send a message to Plitt to pick it up. So I think it could affect the chemistry because I don't think Paddock has anything to pick up. I think he is what he is and we're seeing that every week. I also think it's hard to say just the backup a drive or two, how would you pick when? What result justifies extending the playing time? It introduces a ton of uncertainty. My point with the hypothetical of we pull Paddock and it's the worst case scenario wasn't to point out that it might not work, it was to gauge if anyone who is advocating pulling Paddock would look in the mirror if it's a catastrophe and say "whoops, I guess I was wrong." If Neu switched now or gave the backup a drive or two and it costs us bowl eligibility, those whose advice was taken would have to cut him slack, right? |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 9, 2022 12:25:55 GMT -6
Our coaching staff does not adapt to the talent they have. They try to make players fit the scheme the coaches are most familiar with. Apparently, it's ALL they know. They're not capable of adjusting.
Sometimes it works enough to win a game. Sometimes it doesn't.
Last night, it didn't.
We all got excited when they hired Neu because he'd coached Brees with the Saints. A prototype pocket passer. Little did we know that was all we'd ever get. The game has passed him by, and he refuses to change.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 9, 2022 12:26:32 GMT -6
“I read every word of this. Your argument is compelling, based in logic, sensible, and if Semonza flat out beats Paddock out for the starters job, it would potentially pay huge dividends 2 - 3 years down the road.
All that being said, there is absolutely no way that anyone other than Paddock is the Game 1 starter next season. Neu won't have it any other way. He could get both arms lopped off like the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and Neu would still roll him out there because he's a great locker room guy.
Neu's inability to really develop a next-level quarterback has been a total drag and a major disappointment”
I know you’re right. That’s what’s so extra sucky.
Leaders in the locker room are vital. But playmakers win games. Would be great if paddock has both attributes, but he doesn’t.
Gotta wonder how many bad throws are due to him not being able to see everything because of his stature.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 9, 2022 12:30:25 GMT -6
Our coaching staff does not adapt to the talent they have. They try to make players fit the scheme the coaches are most familiar with. Apparently, it's ALL they know. They're not capable of adjusting. Sometimes it works enough to win a game. Sometimes it doesn't. Last night, it didn't. Nail on the head. Big reason why Kelly will never get a chance. Skill set doesn’t fit. Which again begs the question— why recruit him if you aren’t going to embrace his talent? |
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Post by realitycheck on Nov 9, 2022 12:30:44 GMT -6
Man a lot of loser mentality excuses after that pathetic passing performance. You either can or can't get the job done and Paddock is not getting it done. I had a friend and former player who lives out of state call me an hour before kickoff to ask about our chances and the spread. I told him I love Carson Steele and who doesn't right, but I don't trust Paddock to get us a win period and frankly it's not really debatable any more guys. Our defense and Steele are why we are 5-5. The QB position has hamstrung us and will be our bane these last two games I predict. Hope I'm wrong. last 2 who are you fucking kidding we already know paddock is the guy next year as well and if he is That’s on Neu for not making the change or for not recruiting someone better Wait...did you just drop some eff bombage on me RMC? RMC does not strafe RC with a verbal napalm!! You do NOT put baby in a corner!! |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2022 12:36:26 GMT -6
We won't know about needing complete new offense until we see this one executed. And that means a QB who fits whatever it is the coaches ideally want. We clearly don't have that.
Seems very likely the coaches are trying to fit a flawed player, rather than make a total change that can't be done on the fly during the season.
THAT calls for off season soul searching not to repeat the error.
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 9, 2022 13:30:35 GMT -6
We won't know about needing complete new offense until we see this one executed. And that means a QB who fits whatever it is the coaches ideally want. We clearly don't have that. Seems very likely the coaches are trying to fit a flawed player, rather than make a total change that can't be done on the fly during the season. THAT calls for off season soul searching not to repeat the error. Except for the fact that they've known for the better part of 2+ years that Paddock would start this season. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 9, 2022 13:37:46 GMT -6
We won't know about needing complete new offense until we see this one executed. And that means a QB who fits whatever it is the coaches ideally want. We clearly don't have that. Seems very likely the coaches are trying to fit a flawed player, rather than make a total change that can't be done on the fly during the season. THAT calls for off season soul searching not to repeat the error. Except for the fact that they've known for the better part of 2+ years that Paddock would start this season. The fact that Neu actually said that Paddock is the best passer he's had at BSU....... |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2022 14:02:04 GMT -6
We won't know about needing complete new offense until we see this one executed. And that means a QB who fits whatever it is the coaches ideally want. We clearly don't have that. Seems very likely the coaches are trying to fit a flawed player, rather than make a total change that can't be done on the fly during the season. THAT calls for off season soul searching not to repeat the error. Except for the fact that they've known for the better part of 2+ years that Paddock would start this season. Good point. Don't you think that has to mean something has not worked as planned. THIS would surely not be THE PLAN.
I know fans always think the coach is an idiot when things go wrong, but rarely is that really the case.
cardfan has a long post above where he gives a convincing case that more than one thing has gone wrong. It is also fair enough to say they expected some problems, maybe not the paralysis we have seen at worst. I'd bet they may also have expected better O line play, better receivers, and that he would not be so much the "one read" guy that he would have as much trouble as he has.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 9, 2022 14:05:35 GMT -6
Except for the fact that they've known for the better part of 2+ years that Paddock would start this season. The fact that Neu actually said that Paddock is the best passer he's had at BSU....... Coach speak? Or maybe it's true in drills...
I join you in the camp that says he's vertically challenged which is not good if you don't have quick feet and great vision to reacquire targets on the move. Some great smaller guys overcome lack of size. And have better protection...
If they can't solve some of the other problems and Paddock can't make enough improvement, Spring should be a time to make a change, in system or in personnel. They have to be thinking about that, but NOT right now. Too many moving pieces to make changes on the fly.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Nov 9, 2022 14:15:56 GMT -6
After the Ball State NIU game years ago where the Cards lost that 31-14 lead, I set a rule that I would not give up sleep or gym time over a sporting event (unless special occasion). The game was going to end however it ended and I can wake up my usual joyful self.
I broke that rule last night. I woke up tired and pissy.
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Post by BSUMike on Nov 9, 2022 14:44:30 GMT -6
Give one of the backup QB’s a drive or two. That won’t destroy team chemistry and might actually provide a spark. I do agree that our WR’s have been very disappointing and also deserve some blame for the poor passing game. TE’s are our most dangerous threat, but we need more dynamic plays from the WR’s. No separation, lack of effort, average hands, poor play. Hard to argue otherwise. The only time I've seen Neu give another QB a drive was very intentionally to send a message to Plitt to pick it up. So I think it could affect the chemistry because I don't think Paddock has anything to pick up. I think he is what he is and we're seeing that every week. I also think it's hard to say just the backup a drive or two, how would you pick when? What result justifies extending the playing time? It introduces a ton of uncertainty. My point with the hypothetical of we pull Paddock and it's the worst case scenario wasn't to point out that it might not work, it was to gauge if anyone who is advocating pulling Paddock would look in the mirror if it's a catastrophe and say "whoops, I guess I was wrong." If Neu switched now or gave the backup a drive or two and it costs us bowl eligibility, those whose advice was taken would have to cut him slack, right? Maybe after the 5th or sixth consecutive drive resulting in a punt would be a good time to give it a try? |
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