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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 9, 2022 14:56:36 GMT -6
The only time I've seen Neu give another QB a drive was very intentionally to send a message to Plitt to pick it up. So I think it could affect the chemistry because I don't think Paddock has anything to pick up. I think he is what he is and we're seeing that every week. I also think it's hard to say just the backup a drive or two, how would you pick when? What result justifies extending the playing time? It introduces a ton of uncertainty. My point with the hypothetical of we pull Paddock and it's the worst case scenario wasn't to point out that it might not work, it was to gauge if anyone who is advocating pulling Paddock would look in the mirror if it's a catastrophe and say "whoops, I guess I was wrong." If Neu switched now or gave the backup a drive or two and it costs us bowl eligibility, those whose advice was taken would have to cut him slack, right? Maybe after the 5th or sixth consecutive drive resulting in a punt would be a good time to give it a try? So you would have put Blazek or Kelly in the game last night in the fourth quarter tied up with the season on the line for their first collegiate snap? |
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Post by BSUMike on Nov 9, 2022 15:01:01 GMT -6
Maybe after the 5th or sixth consecutive drive resulting in a punt would be a good time to give it a try? So you would have put Blazek or Kelly in the game last night in the fourth quarter tied up with the season on the line for their first collegiate snap? Honestly I would’ve tried it earlier in the game and earlier in the season, yes. Or when we were up 31 on Murray State. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 9, 2022 15:04:19 GMT -6
So you would have put Blazek or Kelly in the game last night in the fourth quarter tied up with the season on the line for their first collegiate snap? Honestly I would’ve tried it earlier in the game and earlier in the season, yes. Or when we were up 31 on Murray State. Murray State definitely. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 9, 2022 15:06:38 GMT -6
Except for the fact that they've known for the better part of 2+ years that Paddock would start this season. The fact that Neu actually said that Paddock is the best passer he's had at BSU....... Kanu Acree |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 9, 2022 18:05:17 GMT -6
Except for the fact that they've known for the better part of 2+ years that Paddock would start this season. Good point. Don't you think that has to mean something has not worked as planned. THIS would surely not be THE PLAN.
I know fans always think the coach is an idiot when things go wrong, but rarely is that really the case.
cardfan has a long post above where he gives a convincing case that more than one thing has gone wrong. It is also fair enough to say they expected some problems, maybe not the paralysis we have seen at worst. I'd bet they may also have expected better O line play, better receivers, and that he would not be so much the "one read" guy that he would have as much trouble as he has.
Oh, I don't disagree with that, as lots of things have gone wrong, but they're all on Neu. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 9, 2022 19:34:27 GMT -6
I’m watching western they switched Qbs true freshman now on his third start leading at NIU
Northern has a couple backs this year
Toledo used a couple
As have EMU, Kent, Bg
Those are just teams I know off the top of my head
So again next year is either Paddock or a qb with zero snaps
We are already behind the 8 ball while graduating anchors on the D
And losing Steele a possibility
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Post by connecticutcard on Nov 9, 2022 19:53:43 GMT -6
So again next year is either Paddock or a qb with zero snaps I wouldn’t have a concern starting the season with someone who has “zero snaps”. I mean we start at Kentucky and at Georgia… then ISU and GA Southern. It’s not until week 5 that we have a conference game; plenty of time to break in a new guy. Little doubt to me if we go to a bowl and definitely if we win a bowl, paddock is our starter next year. If we lose out this year then I can see a lot of change happening. |
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Post by coastalcard on Nov 9, 2022 20:00:45 GMT -6
We are already behind the 8 ball while graduating anchors on the D And losing Steele a possibility Wait a minute! I thought the threads at the beginning of the year was that we would struggle this year with new guys and it would all come together next year? Is this same story, different year? |
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Post by villagepub on Nov 9, 2022 20:38:54 GMT -6
Maybe after the 5th or sixth consecutive drive resulting in a punt would be a good time to give it a try? So you would have put Blazek or Kelly in the game last night in the fourth quarter tied up with the season on the line for their first collegiate snap? Oh, hell yes! If you go all in on one QB, with no contingency for an injury to the #1 QB, or the fact that maybe your designated #1 QB goes into the tank from a performance perspective, you have made a horrible coaching decision. You'd better have your #2, and truly your #3, taking similar snaps as your # 1 to get a baseline safety net. NEVER put your eggs in one basket. That's why you keep 3 or 4 QBs, especially 3 star (designated) candidates. If you spend all of your practice snaps with the #1, that means you do not really trust that #1. |
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Post by villagepub on Nov 9, 2022 20:44:29 GMT -6
The fact that Neu actually said that Paddock is the best passer he's had at BSU....... Coach speak? Or maybe it's true in drills...
I join you in the camp that says he's vertically challenged which is not good if you don't have quick feet and great vision to reacquire targets on the move. Some great smaller guys overcome lack of size. And have better protection...
If they can't solve some of the other problems and Paddock can't make enough improvement, Spring should be a time to make a change, in system or in personnel. They have to be thinking about that, but NOT right now. Too many moving pieces to make changes on the fly.
No! You develop your #1, #2 and possibly your #3 QB together in Spring and pre-season practices so you always have a failsafe in case of injury to #1 (and #2) or the possibility that the #1 (or #2) get the yips and need to be replaced. If a coach isn't putting a contingency plan in place, then it becomes a leadership problem with the team. I think BSU is at that point. Make players earn their starting roles! |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 9, 2022 20:50:47 GMT -6
So you would have put Blazek or Kelly in the game last night in the fourth quarter tied up with the season on the line for their first collegiate snap? Oh, hell yes! If you go all in on one QB, with no contingency for an injury to the #1 QB, or the fact that maybe your designated #1 QB goes into the tank from a performance perspective, you have made a horrible coaching decision. You'd better have your #2, and truly your #3, taking similar snaps as your # 1 to get a baseline safety net. NEVER put your eggs in one basket. That's why you keep 3 or 4 QBs, especially 3 star (designated) candidates. If you spend all of your practice snaps with the #1, that means you do not really trust that #1. I'm with you for all of that except for the first collegiate snap coming at the biggest moment of the season. We should have been breaking them in throughout the year, but that ship has sailed. Basically all I know is what Rob has reported, which was that Blazek is a pocket passer who needs time to pass and Kelly has a big arm but would require a whole new offense. I'm not saying Paddock is good, I just don't see either of those guys being the answer.
I'm also not a "the coaches know best" guy. If there was literally a single person saying "Blazek looks better in practice than Paddock but Neu is being stubborn" I would consider changing my tune.
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Post by villagepub on Nov 9, 2022 20:53:07 GMT -6
Oh, hell yes! If you go all in on one QB, with no contingency for an injury to the #1 QB, or the fact that maybe your designated #1 QB goes into the tank from a performance perspective, you have made a horrible coaching decision. You'd better have your #2, and truly your #3, taking similar snaps as your # 1 to get a baseline safety net. NEVER put your eggs in one basket. That's why you keep 3 or 4 QBs, especially 3 star (designated) candidates. If you spend all of your practice snaps with the #1, that means you do not really trust that #1. I'm with you for all of that except for the first collegiate snap coming at the biggest moment of the season. We should have been breaking them in throughout the year, but that ship has sailed. Basically all I know is what Rob has reported, which was that Blazek is a pocket passer who needs time to pass and Kelly has a big arm but would require a whole new offense. I'm not saying Paddock is good, I just don't see either of those guys being the answer.
I'm also not a "the coaches know best" guy. If there was literally a single person saying "Blazek looks better in practice than Paddock but Neu is being stubborn" I would consider changing my tune.
If Paddock goes down with a knee injury on the first snap of the OU game, what do you do? Exactly. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 9, 2022 20:54:11 GMT -6
I'm with you for all of that except for the first collegiate snap coming at the biggest moment of the season. We should have been breaking them in throughout the year, but that ship has sailed. Basically all I know is what Rob has reported, which was that Blazek is a pocket passer who needs time to pass and Kelly has a big arm but would require a whole new offense. I'm not saying Paddock is good, I just don't see either of those guys being the answer.
I'm also not a "the coaches know best" guy. If there was literally a single person saying "Blazek looks better in practice than Paddock but Neu is being stubborn" I would consider changing my tune.
If Paddock goes down with a knee injury on the first snap of the OU game, what do you do? Exactly. Forfeit. |
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Post by connecticutcard on Nov 9, 2022 20:57:10 GMT -6
So you would have put Blazek or Kelly in the game last night in the fourth quarter tied up with the season on the line for their first collegiate snap? If you spend all of your practice snaps with the #1, that means you do not really trust that #1. I like that. A lot. Makes a ton of sense. My guess is they work in snaps next year. My going opinion is that Paddock is entrenched as the starter for this and next year. They have the UK and UGA games, then ISU (maybe?) to get snaps to the future guy. Then its game on with paddock (assuming a freshman doesn’t beat him out). Maybe it’s telling the stud from CA is still committed. Schedule is optimal to get him some PT, not burn a red shirt, and stay on track to compete for a MAC championship |
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Post by grass on Nov 9, 2022 21:11:15 GMT -6
If we win one of the next two, we’re in a bowl (probably). Neu’s best known chance of doing this is with Paddock. Unfortunately, if we lose to OU, doesn’t matter because Neu believes our best chance is with Paddock. Are the 2-3 (including Cobb) backups better? Maybe - don’t know in game/game speed. Won’t know until we see their fast decision-making skills.
On a side, what is up with our incredibly talented WR corps and Paddock. With the unstoppable run threat (Steele, and even relatively good backups outside of Steele), what has happened. Has Neu and Lynch overcomplicated things? We have 3 outstanding WRs (Tyler, Jackson and the new SEC/Vanderbilt guy), and 2 towering sure-handed TE’s. This is ridiculous. What is going on? There were a couple plays where we had Toledo-like big play TD’s available (UT won on big plays), and Paddock was looking for someone else. So frustrating. Lynch, Neu …. What’s up with that?!
Paddock has gamer moxy, but seems to have a Lynch-ish governor preventing that moxy/talent from materializing. WTH.
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