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Post by 00hmh on Nov 23, 2022 9:31:22 GMT -6
Our concerns 3 weeks ago got poo poo’d on Twitter by the local radio guy and the same concerns were the problem last night. I’m too tired to be quote tweeted by him justifying whatever. Yeah, it really doesn't help, does it. We all wanted more of the good we saw last night for weeks. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 9:38:03 GMT -6
After seeing Kelly play, I'm not as pissed that he didn't play more at quarterback; I'm just pissed that he wasn't on the field all year. Could the coaching staff not see what he does to defenses? He runs with vision, he makes people miss, and he doesn't go down easy. We had nobody else on the field like that all year. And yes, I know defenses would begin game planning for him, but I still believe if you got him on the field and got him the ball in space, he's going to at least make one person miss and you're going to get a nice gain. He would at least been another weapon defenses had to account for? Surely they didn't lose the playbook from 2021 when Justin Hall was on the team. Knowing that they worked with him at receiver, how could you not put him on the field? Maybe that good old Neu loyalty extends beyond Paddock to folks like Jackson and Tyler. Bingo! Coaching malpractice to not develop a Swiss Army knife role forKelly. Simply lining him up in the backfield with Steele could have been game breaking. Instead our offense is designed to have 11 defenders key in on Steele. He’s either going to get stuffed or he’s going to break big runs. On 3rd and 4th and short our oline got stuffed. You HAVE to have a secondary threat on the field with him whether it’s at QB or a two back offense to create some doubt on who’s getting the ball and where it’s going. A 3rd threat should always be a quick short pass to Hunt/Koziol. Just have them turn around past the sticks in short yardage and have them use their big bodies to seal defenders away from the ball. I see the following players leaving for Either playing time or $$: Steele Koziol Barfield pemberton (If Steele somehow stays) at least one underclassman WR. Kelly, if Neu continues to eff him over Cobb or even Blazek a linebacker a d lineman. What we really need is a new OC with an imagination. Or, if Neu is the actual problem, he quits micromanaging and trusts the OC to call a more modern game. I really think Mike coaches out of fear of losing rather than going all out to win. Thus, our offense goes completely into a shell when we have a lead. In fact, Paddock is brutal when we have a lead. He played better trying to bring us back from big deficits. Neu just keeps repeating that “John gives us the best chance to win” as if repeating makes it true. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 23, 2022 9:38:36 GMT -6
"Hey Coach, what happened to being ranked?" or "Really deserved that contract extension, huh?." Just a couple thoughts. he deserved the extension when he got it. Now he deserves the blame for ruining a what could have been a better than expected season. Now he better hope he hits gold in the portal cause next year on paper does not look any better. Until tonight he seat was only warm to the most hard core fans now it’s hot to even the casual fan. This game could have made us happy, it was a lost opportunity.
I am not sure this game changed anything. After all we had 3 games earlier at least where we might have won that key 6th game.
Except. We are now convinced a Kelly package should have been in the mix earlier. We were all convinced of that anyway and if coaches had reasons not to do so, it's hard for us to see them right now. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 9:39:33 GMT -6
he deserved the extension when he got it. Now he deserves the blame for ruining a what could have been a better than expected season. Now he better hope he hits gold in the portal cause next year on paper does not look any better. Until tonight he seat was only warm to the most hard core fans now it’s hot to even the casual fan. He still has firing of lynch to buy himself an extra year. I suppose he will wait to use that till next off season So question on Lynch. I know there's the Neu loyalty to the Lynch family there, but I also always got he impression when he was elevated that he was the cheap choice, that there really wansn't money available to actually go out and get somebody decent. True or false? I think True. Easy, convenient and cheap. Low hanging fruit. Neu hires the low hanging, “we’re buddies” fruit. |
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Post by universityjim on Nov 23, 2022 9:44:13 GMT -6
Even with Paddock at QB it doesn't take much imagination to see how Kelly could have been giving us a spark all season. Why the hell was he on the bench until game 12? What other weapons did we fail to utilize?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 23, 2022 9:53:05 GMT -6
Our concerns 3 weeks ago got poo poo’d on Twitter by the local radio guy and the same concerns were the problem last night. I’m too tired to be quote tweeted by him justifying whatever. yep cheerleading asshole we were right lol |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 23, 2022 9:54:42 GMT -6
After seeing Kelly play, I'm not as pissed that he didn't play more at quarterback; I'm just pissed that he wasn't on the field all year. Could the coaching staff not see what he does to defenses? He runs with vision, he makes people miss, and he doesn't go down easy. We had nobody else on the field like that all year. Coaching malpractice to not develop a Swiss Army knife role for Kelly. Simply lining him up in the backfield with Steele could have been game breaking. Instead our offense is designed to have 11 defenders key in on Steele. He’s either going to get stuffed or he’s going to break big runs. It's going to be hard to convince us otherwise, and it's hard to quit going over the same ground, isn't it? . We don't see how they cannot make some change after all this, but it's never going to be provable how this season might have gone.
My question is really not about any particular game. It's what happened in Spring last year. That's when it seems they made the decision. One close game after the other gave them a choice to improve execution with same personnel or make a fairly big change. They stuck with their plan. Maybe they always had in mind making the change but never pulled the trigger until now.
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Post by BSUMike on Nov 23, 2022 9:57:19 GMT -6
This was a late night frustration event. We all watched a game where our hopes were high and dashed. One of the most disappointing fan experiences in a long history of Miami games I have attended and suffered through. For most of the game, I was really happy, really happy. I had feared we would not be in this game against a pretty good Miami D. Turns out our D made some good plays, and their offense was not very good until their last few possessions and we were missed tackle or two from containing them, a long pass play completion by them away. On offense we weren't good, but we never were all season, and in this game played well enough to just be a single play, 4th and inches first down, short of a win. Not to mention a couple of penalties... Like any game multiple things might have gone differently to win, and to be fair, multiple things might have meant we had no chance. The defense made good but also had critical bad plays, the offense game through just often enough to put us in position. This was the story of our season in many ways and it was after all what we had expected going into the first games. (Karma payback for MAC championship where everything went well?) After we missed winning two games early, this game had looked for weeks just like what we saw. I am not buying we could have somehow been a lot better this year, our team had limitations, and Paddock was and his receivers were one weak spot. I am not buying the coaches are idiots, even when I disagree with a play call or a personnel decision. It's too easy to second guess the plays that went wrong, and very hard to tell what disasters they coaches avoided with other decisions. We were not somehow a coach or player away from a championship. We won a game, maybe two, we didn't expect. 6 wins was possible, but not a betting favorite for 3 weeks. The big debate here is the QB position. Operating within a very constrained set of plays, Kelly did a great job, but the coaches knew what he could do, protected him from his weaknesses, too. The speculation that with a wide open play book he would/could have been much better is not as clear to me as to others here. Speculation we would have overall been better off to bench Paddock early in the season is even less clear. Everyone agrees and for weeks we have all said we could have used this kind of change of pace role earlier. That seems justified. It's a good question for the coach. Completely fair criticism. OTOH teams would have been better prepared for him had we done that much earlier, he might have been forced into making mistakes we did not see last night, had he played a lot more. His weaknesses discovered. Bottom line: not much to be happy about, but the way we delayed using the running QB in the end meant we had a new weapon in the big last game, and no doubt that helped us to the brink of a big win. With a freshman recruit phenom coming on board, with the chance to see K in Spring, that is exciting. Whether we see any coaching strategy change or not, we should be better at that position next year. You would expect some things to be different, I with or without major coaching change. The big question is can we retain our best players, develop some better receiving, add a key piece or two on the OL, that seems more what I want to do than relive this game, or keep perseverating about play calling, previous coaching decisions and game plans. It's collective venting about an awful ending to last night, but I am trying to get over the hangover... This is a very generous take on the coaching staff’s decisions. I would not be as forgiving. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 10:12:48 GMT -6
The problems with execution in tight games has persisted over Neus entire tenure. And when we hit 5 wins we’ve generally gone in the tank with multiple games left to get that 6th win. (The goal should never just be get that 6th win. Get more!)
When the same type of malfunctions and poor play calling and bad decisions are hallmarks of a program over several years running you can point right to the top to see where the problem starts.
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Post by david75bsu on Nov 23, 2022 10:14:54 GMT -6
The only thing that could salvage the situation is if they dump Lynch and bring in a good OC. That might convince some to stick around. The defense was good enough to win the MAC. If the play calling on offense was improved this team could be playing in Detroit. Neu is ultimately responsible and decided to play a horrible qb all season long when we clearly have some talent behind him. This was one of our best defenses this year that I can remember. Honestly, the defense played well all season. We have perhaps the best running back to ever play for Ball State. And yet, we win 5 games. We’ll just have to clean some things up… Agree pretty much with your comments. The defense gave the offense every chance to put this game away and the offense failed. Not because of lack of talent but because of lack of offensive play calling and use of talent. Again, passing was way off target. Playing calling was real bad. Kelly should have played ALOT more and allowed to pass some. Sorry loss - I feel we were the better team, bad coaching. Listened to the post game conference - sounds like Paadock is the man next year! WOW! So much for learning from your mistakes. |
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 23, 2022 10:16:30 GMT -6
So during the season, many of us here have been fond of saying that Neu wouldn't make any drastic changes (especially at QB) at long as there was the hope of a bowl game.
So, if we believe that to be true, how much of this philosophy of a bowl game being our end all be all goal (even if our team was shit) held the coaching staff back from making the right personnel decisions?
We could have been testing the waters with folks like Kelly or Blazek or who knows who else as early as Murray State, CMU and Ga. Southern but that would have meant possibly giving up a few wins early and jeopardizing bowl eligibility.
So I guess the question really is this: How much was the pursuit of bowl eligibility and all that it comes with (including things like contract extensions and coaching bonuses) a factor in keeping Neu from making the necessary changes to make this team better by the end of the year?
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 10:16:47 GMT -6
Even with Paddock at QB it doesn't take much imagination to see how Kelly could have been giving us a spark all season. Why the hell was he on the bench until game 12? What other weapons did we fail to utilize? Damn good question, UJ. what talent have we been burying over the course of Neu’s tenure because of the stubborn and short sighted devotion to an outdated system of offense and to players who’s production doesn’t match the loyalty to playing them. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 23, 2022 10:22:48 GMT -6
This was a late night frustration event. We all watched a game where our hopes were high and dashed.... I am not buying we could have somehow been a lot better this year, our team had limitations, and Paddock was and his receivers were one weak spot. I am not buying the coaches are idiots, even when I disagree with a play call or a personnel decision. It's too easy to second guess the plays that went wrong, and very hard to tell what disasters they coaches avoided with other decisions. We were not somehow a coach or player away from a championship. This is a very generous take on the coaching staff’s decisions. I would not be as forgiving. This one hurts. I'm not really ready to let it go, either.
Still. The coaches are not idiots...we speculate without much basis about their motives...we second guess...in the end, it boils down to we're in no mood to hear anything but negative.
That's what I am saying.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 23, 2022 10:28:20 GMT -6
What’s as soul chilling as anything with this is Neu will run Paddock out there again next year and the results are gonna be the same. In the meantime some very good talent is going to leave the program because of it. I’m convinced that since Mike sees that formula worked ONE TIME with Plitt that he’ll never do anything else. He’ll always play a less talented Qb who he thinks manages his offense better even as it cuts his program off at the knees. A cycle Neu refuses to get out of. And yes I think overall Mike is more concerned with just getting 6 wins because it’s safer and is better for his contract and longevity. Gambling with a wide open offense is just too risky for him at this point.
Look at The successful MAC teams. They all have dual threat qbs. Cmu unveiled an absolute stud late this season. And he will dominate. Finn will be back at UT. Ou back up Qb is Better than our starter. Wmu has several qbs who can use their feet. Same with Kent. Miami. Etc etc. we have……. paddock. And somehow Neu thinks that’s the way to go even Kelly standing on th e sidelines.
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Post by bsu0 on Nov 23, 2022 10:49:57 GMT -6
Once again it boils down to coaching and personnel decisions. Will Neu change or not. More of the same next season and the natives will be very restless. Time to look in the mirror coach and go through an self evaluation. One cannot reject change. It is an essential part of life. Not change for changes sake, but change for the better. Do not be afraid of it coach, EMBRACE it.
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