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Post by realitycheck on May 5, 2023 8:45:13 GMT -6
The StarPress beat writer (Martin) says Coleman is definitely staying which I think is a factor for Sellers leaving. I may be totally wrong but I ascribe to the theory he can't thrive here with Boogie dominating the ball. I also don't see Sellers as a P5 talent but who knows.
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May 5, 2023 8:46:58 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on May 5, 2023 8:46:58 GMT -6
Yes, our coaches are stymied by crippling, structural midmajor recruiting disadvantages that are basically impossible to overcome while the Mac winning programs get quality players who magically fall from the sky or somehow spontaneously generate on campus
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Post by cardfan on May 5, 2023 8:57:19 GMT -6
Not enough depth. The Whitford players were tough enough and talented enough. Major lack of punch off the bench, where Bumb and Windham disappointed, and Lewis' stopgap recruits Cleary and OwensWhite never got in gear. Definitely not enough roster to overcome the late season dings, and very likely not enough to play 3 games in 3 days even if not banged up. General may be right that his freshman recruits, transfers and returning sophs have helped with that, but losing Sparks AND Sellers is probably a body blow we're not going to recover from. Always a chance we get a late recruit, or see a surprise, but we are now a year away from a really good team. More roster losses we are in serious trouble. We have no idea what we are a year away from. We could be a year away from total disaster. Reality says that our touted new Freshman will likely leave us in 2 years when the start to peak and go somewhere else either because the $$ and allure of more PT or a bigger school is too much to resist or our coach is a meanie and they don't like being whipped. Reality is real about the reality that we'll lose Doughty in a year or two, assuming he becomes what we think he will. Lewis will be tested, for sure. Can he replace the talent that bails every year? Yeah, he's demanding and has high expectations and is hard on those guys, but he's also been highly complimentary of them. That big bear hug between Sellers and Lewis after the Kent game? Those guys bought in. I'm sure it was a helluva shock to go from Whitford's style to Lewis's, but they got 20 wins out of it. I think they enjoyed competing harder. The nature of the new beast is guys are gonna come and go now, because they can. No matter how they're coached, they will all look for a better deal, whether that be a payday, or playing time, or a higher level program. That's just how it is now. How Lewis operates within that climate is what will tell the tale. I'm not sure Sellers is P5 either but we'll find out. I won't be surprised if he ends up at another program similar to BSU, maybe closer to home. Maybe a Georgia St. And yeah, Boogie coming back and dominating the ball may have been a negative for Sellers but who knows. BSU seems late to the game in terms of developing a viable NIL program but that won't be the sole cause of guys leaving. |
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Post by cardfan on May 5, 2023 9:00:17 GMT -6
Yes, our coaches are stymied by crippling, structural midmajor recruiting disadvantages that are basically impossible to overcome while the Mac winning programs get quality players who magically fall from the sky or somehow spontaneously generate on campus Nope. Either Lewis will recruit and coach at a level that brings championship level results, or he won't. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 5, 2023 9:17:15 GMT -6
Not enough depth. The Whitford players were tough enough and talented enough. Major lack of punch off the bench, where Bumb and Windham disappointed, and Lewis' stopgap recruits Cleary and OwensWhite never got in gear. Definitely not enough roster to overcome the late season dings, and very likely not enough to play 3 games in 3 days even if not banged up. General may be right that his freshman recruits, transfers and returning sophs have helped with that, but losing Sparks AND Sellers is probably a body blow we're not going to recover from. Always a chance we get a late recruit, or see a surprise, but we are now a year away from a really good team. More roster losses we are in serious trouble. We have no idea what we are a year away from. We could be a year away from total disaster. Reality says that our touted new Freshman will likely leave us in 2 years when the start to peak and go somewhere else either because the $$ and allure of more PT or a bigger school is too much to resist or our coach is a meanie and they don't like being whipped. This is the truth we have no way of telling. We can no longer say well when these guys mature, become acclimated, wait till this kid is a junior. Its not even something we can discuss anymore. There is no future in college sports its what you have today or this season. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 5, 2023 9:53:29 GMT -6
Not enough depth. The Whitford players were tough enough and talented enough. Major lack of punch off the bench... Always a chance we get a late recruit, or see a surprise, but we are now a year away from a really good team. More roster losses we are in serious trouble. We have no idea what we are a year away from. We could be a year away from total disaster. Reality says that our touted new Freshman will likely leave us in 2 years when the start to peak and go somewhere else either because the $$ and allure of more PT or a bigger school is too much to resist or our coach is a meanie and they don't like being whipped. I'm disappointed to see a good player leave we were counting on, and it leaves us with a lot of newcomers which is why I think a year together and another year recruiting is going to be needed to be really good.
True enough that we can't know anything, but to say that all things go wrong is somehow "reality" is silly. The "reality" is that we should expect much more annual turnover than we like, but I'd expect we retain most if not all the new additions for at least a year. As will the other MAC schools. I am pessimistic it will be harder in the future to build a good team which probably requires retaining good players for 3 or 4 years, and to be "really good" and compete in the NCAA with those big schools who take our talent will hard, that too is likely a "reality."
As for calling out our coach as a "meanie" with little or no evidence of that after years of complaining about a coach who wasn't seen as at all "mean" sure is an unexpected development here...
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Post by 00hmh on May 5, 2023 10:00:42 GMT -6
The StarPress beat writer (Martin) says Coleman is definitely staying which I think is a factor for Sellers leaving. I may be totally wrong but I ascribe to the theory he can't thrive here with Boogie dominating the ball. I also don't see Sellers as a P5 talent but who knows. I agree. He never developed as a player who could play with the ball and Lewis wisely chose to use him off the ball, both as a corner 3 threat and as a cutter to the basket.
Coleman and DJ were better with the ball and we've brought in others who are better suited to that. Coleman was and probably is this year the guy most likely to be able to score one on one with the clock getting short, and quite a strong chance to pass out of a double team and find the open man, compared to Sellers.
Sellers was more a small forward than a guard. If he wants to be a lead guard, he will have to improve his handle greatly and likely move parallel or down to find a team willing to let him have a role in that way. If he wants to be a combo guard and a one on one threat, he can stay or go. and develop those skills he does not now have, but in any case won't find a high major slotting him as a go to guy.
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Post by 00hmh on May 5, 2023 10:03:25 GMT -6
Yes, our coaches are stymied by crippling, structural midmajor recruiting disadvantages that are basically impossible to overcome while the Mac winning programs get quality players who magically fall from the sky or somehow spontaneously generate on campus Nope. Either Lewis will recruit and coach at a level that brings championship level results, or he won't. AND. I doubt we see any MAC coach get a lot more talented players. That it was more true in the past isn't completely clear, but added to that is not the portal roulette.
You can declare the "winners" of that game as successful but can't really say they have any secret magic either.
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Post by universityjim on May 5, 2023 11:25:24 GMT -6
The recruiting game is just different. The mid-major coaches who learn to play it are going to do fine. Those who don't are going to crash. It's a two year future now instead of 4 or 5. The coach may get quality HS players but if he does they probably won't be here after their sophomore year. The key in my opinion is getting quality portal players. Quality HS players who went to P6 schools and then get upset and leave for one reason or another. Possibly because they are being challenged or replaced by mid-major kids who transfer into their program. Those kids who transfer are going to be less likely in my opinion to transfer a second time now due to the penalty year for transferring a second time. The coaches who can bring in quality junior and senior transfers are going to do very well even if the freshman and sophomore players they bring in are only here for two years. Those quality HS players will be a bonus.
Yeah it sucks. After two years we are just getting really fond of some of these guys and they jump ship. I hate it, but it's what we have for now.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on May 5, 2023 12:21:43 GMT -6
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May 5, 2023 15:47:10 GMT -6
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Post by coastalcard on May 5, 2023 15:47:10 GMT -6
That Boogie Coleman has been a real positive to the program. Glad he has decided to stay. 🙄
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Post by CallingBS on May 5, 2023 16:49:00 GMT -6
That Boogie Coleman has been a real positive to the program. Glad he has decided to stay. I personally think it will be like watching a train wreck unfold. He'll shoot about 30% and go back to his old ways, like he did the last month+ of last season. |
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Post by sdacardinal on May 5, 2023 18:20:55 GMT -6
I think a certain % of the reason he decided to stay was because of Lewis. For the most part he was under control last year. Yes the demons did return somewhat last year but overall he was much better compared to his first stint at BSU.
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Post by lmills72 on May 5, 2023 18:47:12 GMT -6
Something to keep an eye on… we have no new reported offers out for 2024/25. Other mac schools are getting offers out. Lewis must be being very selective in whom he offers. Last time I checked Verbal Commits, which was a few weeks ago, we had very few offers out for 24/25. There were several other MAC schools in the same boat. On the other hand maybe half of the MAC had somewhere between 15-20 offers out for that class. How accurate is that? I don't know. How important is that in this day of transfers? I don't know that either. But it feels weird. |
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May 5, 2023 18:57:48 GMT -6
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Post by coastalcard on May 5, 2023 18:57:48 GMT -6
I can certainly see Sellers looking at the stats and not wanting to play behind Coleman as the leader and getting more PT and dominating the shots.
Unfortunately, neither Sellers or Sparks had the personality to challenge being the team leader. Either this year or next year.
I assume Coleman staying is mutually agreeable with Lewis or he wouldn't be here. I also assume if Coleman staying pushed Sellers to portal, Lewis knew it was coming. If either or both of those assumptions are wrong, it’s time to put your NIL pesos back in your wallet.
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