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Post by lmills72 on May 4, 2023 19:49:48 GMT -6
Not saying Lewis isn't hard on kids, but ...
Out of last year's roster there are currently ...
6 set to return
2 graduates
5 losses to transfer
I'm not sure how unusual that's going to be in this day and age of transfers. Hard coach, soft coach, most are going to see players move.
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May 4, 2023 19:52:20 GMT -6
Post by lmills72 on May 4, 2023 19:52:20 GMT -6
Sparks Bashir and Sellers were inseperable all year. Id be shocked if Bashir stays Unless they're all going to IU together, not sure what the benefit of transferring would be. The inseparable are going to be separated. |
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May 4, 2023 20:00:41 GMT -6
Post by cardfan on May 4, 2023 20:00:41 GMT -6
Sparks Bashir and Sellers were inseperable all year. Id be shocked if Bashir stays Unless they're all going to IU together, not sure what the benefit of transferring would be. The inseparable are going to be separated. Because these days it’s about “well shit, so and so left so I might as well leave too, cuz I can.” Even if we give ‘em NIL money. |
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May 4, 2023 20:17:31 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 4, 2023 20:17:31 GMT -6
Sparks Bashir and Sellers were inseperable all year. Id be shocked if Bashir stays Unless they're all going to IU together, not sure what the benefit of transferring would be. The inseparable are going to be separated. its just more incentitive to leave having your best friend around gives another reason to stay |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 4, 2023 20:34:35 GMT -6
This also gives us some insight on how much or little feed the bird is dolling out. Unless of course he has been paid and he just gets to walk away. Yoy would think they would have clauses written in though
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Post by bsutrack on May 4, 2023 21:01:29 GMT -6
All I can say is we all know what kind of personality types Whitford recruited. With the exception of Tayler Persons, they weren't exactly clutch performers. A 9 year sample size and they never achieved anything meaningful; a conference championship, an NCAA bid, or even an NIT bid.
Have faith that Lewis has brought in, and will continue to bring-in, a different type of player. That the best he could achieve with Whitford's lot was last season's result. We all want better than that, right?
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Post by williamtsherman on May 4, 2023 21:32:29 GMT -6
Well, my fear that last season’s team is the most talented roster Lewis ever has seems more likely now. Maybe more likely than not
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May 4, 2023 21:43:48 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 4, 2023 21:43:48 GMT -6
When it comes to recruiting Ive always said ignore the stars and look at who else has offered. When I do that none of our recruits really had an impressive list of offers. We did not really have to beat out anyone to get any of them. Its my hope that these guys can play but we just dont know yet.
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Post by cardfan on May 5, 2023 2:55:44 GMT -6
Even the blue bloods are experiencing heavy turnover with the portal. They just raid each other for players now. Even a program like Butler has 9 new players a year after a coaching change. It’s just the way of college athletics, especially right after or within the first couple years of a new coaching staff. We’re going to go through this just about every year now, no matter what. The key will be how well Lewis is able to use the portal to our advantage and if he can mold whoever he gets into cohesive, championship level units. I guess the only way to look at it is there are a ton of players available and more hit the market everyday and will continue to do so until the portal closes after next week. And maybe jucos become more attractive again as guys bail late in recruiting windows. Guys can show up anywhere from now till August.
But, right now we look pretty thin in overall talent for next year. We’ll see how this plays out.
Something to keep an eye on… we have no new reported offers out for 2024/25. Other mac schools are getting offers out. Lewis must be being very selective in whom he offers.
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May 5, 2023 6:55:36 GMT -6
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Post by redfeather on May 5, 2023 6:55:36 GMT -6
The way I see recruiting, or better yet player selecting a school comes down to this list of priorities for the elite to fairly decent player.
In this specific order:
1. NIL received or could receive
2. Playing time
3. Coach personality and style of play
4. Playing at a P5 school
6. Teammates
7. Education
You might switch 2 and 3 around but from where I am watching this circus this is how it plays out and I’m not sure how much the Ball States of the world will be able to assemble a deep good team.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 5, 2023 7:20:14 GMT -6
Remember that the reason we couldn’t contend last season was that Lewis had to deal with an inadequate roster. Specifically it had too many Whitfield players who were not tough and generally not good enough
That problem has been largely solved now
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Post by cardfan on May 5, 2023 7:57:04 GMT -6
Remember that the reason we couldn’t contend last season was that Lewis had to deal with an inadequate roster. Specifically it had too many Whitfield players who were not tough and generally not good enough That problem has been largely solved now personally I thought it was more because we got banged up and ran out of gas down the stretch rather than lack of adequate talent. Sparks and Coleman both missed games and Coleman wasn't really healthy in the MAC tourney game. Jacobs was dinged. We just didn't finish the season well but we were near the top till the wheels came off late. Where we really suffered was depth. Bench was non existent so we couldn't over come guys missing time or being limited. THAT's where Whitford really left things in bad shape. Sparks and Sellers were excellent recruits. We had 5 or 6 guys good enough to compete, we did not have 7-8 that could be consistently and reasonably counted on. |
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Post by universityjim on May 5, 2023 7:57:41 GMT -6
I guess this verifies that being in the Feed the Bird Foundation doesn't mean the player isn't transferring.
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May 5, 2023 8:18:26 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 5, 2023 8:18:26 GMT -6
Remember that the reason we couldn’t contend last season was that Lewis had to deal with an inadequate roster. Specifically it had too many Whitfield players who were not tough and generally not good enough That problem has been largely solved now personally I thought it was more because we got banged up and ran out of gas down the stretch rather than lack of adequate talent. Sparks and Coleman both missed games and Coleman wasn't really healthy in the MAC tourney game. Jacobs was dinged. We just didn't finish the season well but we were near the top till the wheels came off late. Where we really suffered was depth. Bench was non existent so we couldn't over come guys missing time or being limited. THAT's where Whitford really left things in bad shape. Sparks and Sellers were excellent recruits. We had 5 or 6 guys good enough to compete, we did not have 7-8 that could be consistently and reasonably counted on. Not enough depth. The Whitford players were tough enough and talented enough. Major lack of punch off the bench, where Bumb and Windham disappointed, and Lewis' stopgap recruits Cleary and OwensWhite never got in gear. Definitely not enough roster to overcome the late season dings, and very likely not enough to play 3 games in 3 days even if not banged up. General may be right that his freshman recruits, transfers and returning sophs have helped with that, but losing Sparks AND Sellers is probably a body blow we're not going to recover from. Always a chance we get a late recruit, or see a surprise, but we are now a year away from a really good team. More roster losses we are in serious trouble. |
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Post by realitycheck on May 5, 2023 8:42:25 GMT -6
personally I thought it was more because we got banged up and ran out of gas down the stretch rather than lack of adequate talent. Sparks and Coleman both missed games and Coleman wasn't really healthy in the MAC tourney game. Jacobs was dinged. We just didn't finish the season well but we were near the top till the wheels came off late. Where we really suffered was depth. Bench was non existent so we couldn't over come guys missing time or being limited. THAT's where Whitford really left things in bad shape. Sparks and Sellers were excellent recruits. We had 5 or 6 guys good enough to compete, we did not have 7-8 that could be consistently and reasonably counted on. Not enough depth. The Whitford players were tough enough and talented enough. Major lack of punch off the bench, where Bumb and Windham disappointed, and Lewis' stopgap recruits Cleary and OwensWhite never got in gear. Definitely not enough roster to overcome the late season dings, and very likely not enough to play 3 games in 3 days even if not banged up. General may be right that his freshman recruits, transfers and returning sophs have helped with that, but losing Sparks AND Sellers is probably a body blow we're not going to recover from. Always a chance we get a late recruit, or see a surprise, but we are now a year away from a really good team. More roster losses we are in serious trouble. We have no idea what we are a year away from. We could be a year away from total disaster. Reality says that our touted new Freshman will likely leave us in 2 years when the start to peak and go somewhere else either because the $$ and allure of more PT or a bigger school is too much to resist or our coach is a meanie and they don't like being whipped. |
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