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Post by lmills72 on May 5, 2023 18:59:43 GMT -6
I'm fine with admitting college basketball is just a lower level of professional basketball but can we at least get some stability in there somewhere. How about having kids sign contracts, just like the pros. They sign 1- to 4-year deals that cover education, room and board and whatever NIL money they can negotiate during the contact period. When their contract is up, they can sign a new deal at their current school or elsewhere. If the school and the player choose to renegotiate their deal midstream that's OK, too. But the player can't just up and go elsewhere in the middle of his deal. He can sit out if he wants and deal with whatever consequences are stipulated in his contract. If the school signs a long-term deal with a kid that doesn't develop they're stuck with that contract unless they can reach an amicable separation agreement. I know there would be a ton of things to work out but I think I'd prefer that to what we have now.
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May 5, 2023 19:08:32 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 5, 2023 19:08:32 GMT -6
Wishful thinking this would change anything.
The idea has some merit but I would guess it would lead to 1 year deals for good players with longer term contracts having opt out for NIL offers elsewhere. Or matching required?
Otherwise who would sign who might have potential for success?
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Post by bsutrack on May 5, 2023 21:00:21 GMT -6
I'm fine with admitting college basketball is just a lower level of professional basketball but can we at least get some stability in there somewhere. How about having kids sign contracts, just like the pros. They sign 1- to 4-year deals that cover education, room and board and whatever NIL money they can negotiate during the contact period. When their contract is up, they can sign a new deal at their current school or elsewhere. If the school and the player choose to renegotiate their deal midstream that's OK, too. But the player can't just up and go elsewhere in the middle of his deal. He can sit out if he wants and deal with whatever consequences are stipulated in his contract. If the school signs a long-term deal with a kid that doesn't develop they're stuck with that contract unless they can reach an amicable separation agreement. I know there would be a ton of things to work out but I think I'd prefer that to what we have now. Sounds like the deal we have with Hendriks. |
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May 5, 2023 21:01:40 GMT -6
Post by lmills72 on May 5, 2023 21:01:40 GMT -6
I tend to think a lot of kids we sign could go for a 2-year or longer deal, especially in sports other than basketball. But even if they're just 1-year deals, at least then you know. And maybe that opt out for a better NIL deal comes with the option of the current school retaining the player if they match the offer. Lots to consider.
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May 6, 2023 7:14:38 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on May 6, 2023 7:14:38 GMT -6
Coleman is not listed as a spring graduate. Only Cleary and jacobs. So if Coleman has not graduated he’s probably out of transfer options. Yet he participated in senior night….
I don’t know what eligibility is or who can transfer when/how many times anymore.
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May 6, 2023 7:30:56 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 6, 2023 7:30:56 GMT -6
We're all assuming Sellers isn't just fishing for a better deal, and doesn't have the option to return if he doesn't find one.
Assuming he's gone, this is a big chance for the JUCO kid to get PT, and for Brown and Adams to see the court. We'd be smaller but it means D-Watts gets more PT.
This new reality of the portal means everybody has to accept this kind of turnover and just enjoy who we have while we have them as much as we can. It's now AAU ball with real coaches...we don't have to like that part I guess.
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Post by cardfan on May 6, 2023 8:24:17 GMT -6
It’ll just be a little more difficult to identify with a team. The rosters can differ wildly from year to year and just when a kid starts repping your school in a big way, he’s gone.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 6, 2023 8:33:57 GMT -6
We're all assuming Sellers isn't just fishing for a better deal, and doesn't have the option to return if he doesn't find one. Assuming he's gone, this is a big chance for the JUCO kid to get PT, and for Brown and Adams to see the court. We'd be smaller but it means D-Watts gets more PT. This new reality of the portal means everybody has to accept this kind of turnover and just enjoy who we have while we have them as much as we can. It's now AAU ball with real coaches...we don't have to like that part I guess. Yea he could get could back if Lewis allows it. So far no news or intrest/offers posted on Sellers. Lots of highlight packages and qoutes of him being a high major prospect. Wait and see I guess |
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Post by bsutrack on May 6, 2023 9:19:56 GMT -6
Coleman is not listed as a spring graduate. Only Cleary and jacobs. So if Coleman has not graduated he’s probably out of transfer options. Yet he participated in senior night…. I don’t know what eligibility is or who can transfer when/how many times anymore. If Coleman doesn't have his degree yet (ignoring the playing basketball for a minute), it's probably smart for him to use the system to complete his degree before moving on to playing basketball for a modest amount of money in Europe, or elsewhere. What's the chance of him going to Europe to play basketball for a few years, and then coming back to college to finish his degree? I would say less than 10%. 5 years of college and he hasn't completed a degree yet? Needing a 6th year of college to complete a 4-year degree sure isn't a good look. I'm with you on having problems figuring out who has eligibility anymore. |
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Post by realitycheck on May 7, 2023 9:15:33 GMT -6
We have no idea what we are a year away from. We could be a year away from total disaster. Reality says that our touted new Freshman will likely leave us in 2 years when the start to peak and go somewhere else either because the $$ and allure of more PT or a bigger school is too much to resist or our coach is a meanie and they don't like being whipped. I'm disappointed to see a good player leave we were counting on, and it leaves us with a lot of newcomers which is why I think a year together and another year recruiting is going to be needed to be really good.
True enough that we can't know anything, but to say that all things go wrong is somehow "reality" is silly. The "reality" is that we should expect much more annual turnover than we like, but I'd expect we retain most if not all the new additions for at least a year. As will the other MAC schools. I am pessimistic it will be harder in the future to build a good team which probably requires retaining good players for 3 or 4 years, and to be "really good" and compete in the NCAA with those big schools who take our talent will hard, that too is likely a "reality."
As for calling out our coach as a "meanie" with little or no evidence of that after years of complaining about a coach who wasn't seen as at all "mean" sure is an unexpected development here...
Have you ever noticed your annoying habit of completely misquoting other peoples posts? I’m guessing yes since you do it consistently. We didn’t have a good player leave, we had our two best players leave. I never said all things go wrong. I accurately stated that we have zero idea what we will be like in two years to refute your claim. And I didn’t call out our coach with little or no evidence. I accurately stated that he is indeed a hard ass, which I like by the way. Are you clueless? Wait don’t answer I think I know. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 7, 2023 10:03:03 GMT -6
I'm disappointed to see a good player leave we were counting on, and it leaves us with a lot of newcomers which is why I think a year together and another year recruiting is going to be needed to be really good.
True enough that we can't know anything, but to say that all things go wrong is somehow "reality" is silly. The "reality" is that we should expect much more annual turnover than we like, but I'd expect we retain most if not all the new additions for at least a year. As will the other MAC schools. I am pessimistic it will be harder in the future to build a good team which probably requires retaining good players for 3 or 4 years, and to be "really good" and compete in the NCAA with those big schools who take our talent will hard, that too is likely a "reality."
As for calling out our coach as a "meanie" with little or no evidence of that after years of complaining about a coach who wasn't seen as at all "mean" sure is an unexpected development here...
Have you ever noticed your annoying habit of completely misquoting other peoples posts? I’m guessing yes since you do it consistently. We didn’t have a good player leave, we had our two best players leave. I never said all things go wrong. I accurately stated that we have zero idea what we will be like in two years to refute your claim. And I didn’t call out our coach with little or no evidence. I accurately stated that he is indeed a hard ass, which I like by the way. Are you clueless? Wait don’t answer I think I know. Lighten up. I represented that you were worried with everything going wrong. You certainly did raise the worse case scenario for our recruiting. And I said there was certainly an incongruity on this board proposing we had a coach who was too mean. Not sure why you assumed I was "quoting you." So I I don't get what you are complaining about here. |
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Post by sdacardinal on May 7, 2023 10:22:14 GMT -6
Hey you two quit being mean to each other.
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Post by david75bsu on May 7, 2023 11:54:26 GMT -6
That state of college sports sort of sucks these days. I guess I thought there was some loyalty to a college willing to offer you a scholarship so you can play a sport you love and get a free ride in college. I guess I supported teams with the naivety of thinking it was about liking the college you selected out of high school - unlike high school, you selected that school. I then supported you and my team and cheered you at games, falsely thanked you were playing for Ball U. I have given up on pro-sports as it is clear it’s about money and not the team. Not sure what the issue is in college sports - it’s not like everyone is going pro?
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Sellers
May 7, 2023 12:09:18 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on May 7, 2023 12:09:18 GMT -6
Yeah, the frequent misrepresentation thing happens a bit too often and is a bit too blatant to be accidental. I can handle a good deal of silliness and even stupidity. But dishonesty is another thing. That’s why he is the one member of this board I wouldn’t care to ever meet and have a beer with
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May 7, 2023 12:37:53 GMT -6
Post by realitycheck on May 7, 2023 12:37:53 GMT -6
Have you ever noticed your annoying habit of completely misquoting other peoples posts? I’m guessing yes since you do it consistently. We didn’t have a good player leave, we had our two best players leave. I never said all things go wrong. I accurately stated that we have zero idea what we will be like in two years to refute your claim. And I didn’t call out our coach with little or no evidence. I accurately stated that he is indeed a hard ass, which I like by the way. Are you clueless? Wait don’t answer I think I know. Lighten up. I represented that you were worried with everything going wrong. You certainly did raise the worse case scenario for our recruiting. And I said there was certainly an incongruity on this board proposing we had a coach who was too mean. Not sure why you assumed I was "quoting you." So I I don't get what you are complaining about here. No, you rewrote and spun what I said to fit your narrative. My post was in response to this DIRECT Quote from you, "we are now a year away from a really good team". My exact post was, " We have no idea what we are a year away from. We could be a year away from total disaster. Reality says that our touted new Freshman will likely leave us in 2 years when the start to peak and go somewhere else either because the $$ and allure of more PT or a bigger school is too much to resist or our coach is a meanie and they don't like being whipped."Your post stated, " to say that all things go wrong is somehow "reality" is silly." So I said all things go wrong? Is that what I said or are you rewriting what I said or inferred? You next feat of magic was, " calling out our coach as a "meanie" with little or no evidence of that". Are you seriously going to maintain there is little to no evidence of his hardline style or are you claiming it was no factor in the departure of Sparks & Sellers? I believe you're wrong in either case. |
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