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Post by jburton on May 7, 2023 14:03:39 GMT -6
That state of college sports sort of sucks these days. I guess I thought there was some loyalty to a college willing to offer you a scholarship so you can play a sport you love and get a free ride in college. I guess I supported teams with the naivety of thinking it was about liking the college you selected out of high school - unlike high school, you selected that school. I then supported you and my team and cheered you at games, falsely thanked you were playing for Ball U. I have given up on pro-sports as it is clear it’s about money and not the team. Not sure what the issue is in college sports - it’s not like everyone is going pro? Agreed. It's very hard to get up for college basketball when there is a total roster remake every year. There's no sense of loyalty from the players towards the school... No loyalty from the coaches towards the school... No sense of loyalty from the administration towards the program... Complete lack of esprit de corps. It's hard to imagine that these players who are transferring multiple times to multiple schools are actually thinking about their education. At least the thin facade or appearance of a college education is what I was clinging to. It is what it is. I'm not suggesting that we have it. Any rougher than anybody else in college basketball. Just hard to get excited for it. Whatever... C'est la vie! |
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Sellers
May 7, 2023 14:53:21 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 7, 2023 14:53:21 GMT -6
Lighten up. I represented that you were worried with everything going wrong. You certainly did raise the worse case scenario for our recruiting. And I said there was certainly an incongruity on this board proposing we had a coach who was too mean. Not sure why you assumed I was "quoting you." So I I don't get what you are complaining about here. No, you rewrote and spun what I said to fit your narrative. My post was in response to this DIRECT Quote from you, "we are now a year away from a really good team". My exact post was, " We have no idea what we are a year away from. We could be a year away from total disaster. Reality says that our touted new Freshman will likely leave us in 2 years when the start to peak and go somewhere else either because the $$ and allure of more PT or a bigger school is too much to resist or our coach is a meanie and they don't like being whipped."Your post stated, " to say that all things go wrong is somehow "reality" is silly." So I said all things go wrong? Is that what I said or are you rewriting what I said or inferred? You next feat of magic was, " calling out our coach as a "meanie" with little or no evidence of that". Are you seriously going to maintain there is little to no evidence of his hardline style or are you claiming it was no factor in the departure of Sparks & Sellers? I believe you're wrong in either case. I don't think he is a meanie...and don't think either player is in the portal because he's tough. |
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Post by lmills72 on May 7, 2023 15:51:10 GMT -6
So we've got one more week or so that players can put their names in the portal, right?
Is there a time they need to make a commitment, or can they hold out until school begins. I assume they would have to be enrolled for the fall semester.
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Sellers
May 7, 2023 15:57:16 GMT -6
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Post by thebsukid on May 7, 2023 15:57:16 GMT -6
Would Coach take Sellers back?
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Post by david75bsu on May 7, 2023 17:18:35 GMT -6
So we've got one more week or so that players can put their names in the portal, right? Is there a time they need to make a commitment, or can they hold out until school begins. I assume they would have to be enrolled for the fall semester. Good question - anyone with an answer? |
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May 7, 2023 17:53:23 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 7, 2023 17:53:23 GMT -6
So we've got one more week or so that players can put their names in the portal, right? Is there a time they need to make a commitment, or can they hold out until school begins. I assume they would have to be enrolled for the fall semester. Good question - anyone with an answer? Once they are in their school can terminate their scholarship, immediately. Has no obligation to hold it. I'm not sure if that is automatic. Other schools can contact. But ALL scholarships are one year to start with. No obligation to renew. A process in the summer to do that. I find no restriction on their returning. Coaches notify players in the "normal" case and there is a time in the summer when the scholarship ends or is renewed. Entering the portal I believe means they are no longer student athletes with the perks that attend that status. Lockers, nutrition, access. Not sure how strictly that is enforced, but I recall it being immediately done in some past cases. |
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May 7, 2023 19:21:14 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 7, 2023 19:21:14 GMT -6
Once your in the portal your done with anything that is team official. You can finish classes finish out your time for that semester etc. Any extra benifits above a regular student are taken away. If no one offers you or dont get what your after you can ask to come back if your scholarship is still available. It just happened happened in football Mike took back Brayden Evans. You just have to start the paper process over again
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May 8, 2023 7:35:49 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 8, 2023 7:35:49 GMT -6
In this transfer crazed era, mills idea of trying to recruit kids to longer term commitment(how long?) will require some additional inducement, or, recruiting higher risk kids, or the rare athlete with a real desire for the schools non athletic benefits.
Ivy league or other very prestigious schools or schools that offer specialty degrees might make that work. Dedicated NIL money for long term maybe a possibility? Bird in the hand for a kid who may likely fail.
None of this seems likely to help MAC level schools much.
Going back to the future with something more like the old red shirt requirement looks better now in the NIL era. Maybe allow a "senior year" transfer for kids on track to graduate?
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Post by villagepub on May 8, 2023 7:46:23 GMT -6
Isn't it a violation of the one time transfer rule for a school to contact a player (directly or indirectly) who is not in the portal? DId that happen? If anyone here thinks this has NOT been going on for decades and no one is talking behind the scenes I have a very nice bridge in Brooklyn I have been trying to unload. Sellers is a good piece to build around but those athletic scoring wings are somewhat plentiful. Size is hard to replicate as is speed but if you think there are not shooters and ball handlers in the portal in quantity you are wrong. Hope he stays around but anyone who played for Whit and had to do an about face and look in the mirror and decide how they liked being coached may be looking for a different spot. If he heads to Kennesaw and then that coach levels up that may be a decision he has to live with as he may have to either play for a new coach or find some room on the bench at the next spot. All just a moot point until something actually transpires. Biggest thing is for Coach to start beating the bushes to fill out the roster. Playing for Knight leads me to believe he only wants folks who want to be here and get better. Well, what kind of a bridge are we talking about? Are you willing to carry some of the financing? |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 8, 2023 7:55:53 GMT -6
I have heard that the Chinese words for "crises" and "opportunity" are the same. Is this true? I have no idea, but it's a useful concept, and it definitely applies to Mac basketball programs in this new and unsettled world of NIL and transfers. A clever, resourceful, adaptable coach could run circles around his more stuck-in-their-ways competitors. Who has such a coach? We will find out.
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Post by villagepub on May 8, 2023 8:03:39 GMT -6
How does the transfer portal affect each school's APR rating?
I'm sure Duke, Northwestern and other academic schools will maintain consistent scores, but further down the portal food chain, APR scores have got to become erratic.
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Post by cardfan on May 8, 2023 8:26:59 GMT -6
Thad Matta says "I want guys I can coach." Evidently he inherited guys who weren't keen to being coached hard. I assume Lewis is of the same mindset and is being very selective in who he recruits. Hard to find guys who truly WANT to be coached anymore. So many are just looking for compensation and good "situations" now rather than coaches they want to be coached by. AAU ball has made it "all about me." And, I gave up on the idea that players actually choose schools for the school anymore a long time ago. That doesn't happen much until they reach grad transfer level and actual choose schools for specific programs. I'm generalizing, but overall it's where we are.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 8, 2023 9:00:13 GMT -6
Thad Matta says "I want guys I can coach." Evidently he inherited guys who weren't keen to being coached hard. I assume Lewis is of the same mindset and is being very selective in who he recruits. Hard to find guys who truly WANT to be coached anymore. Well that is all fine, and probably fits in with the inclinations of many of us on this board who, shall we say, are no longer in the first bloom of our youth. But does it make for a functional, winning program? Maybe, but if Lewis is TOO selective in who he recruits, he will reduce his potential recruit pool so drastically that he will constantly be fighting an uphill fight against mac schools with better talent. Already we have seen on this board Lewis's "toughness" used as an excuse for lack of on court and recruiting success in various ways. If a trait of your coach is used as an excuse for failure, then maybe it isn't such a good trait after all? Maybe some feel so strongly that "toughness" is an admirable quality that they are willing to sacrifice winning in order to make some sort of point that our program is doing things the right way and if kids today cant understand that then screw them. What Lewis does with the portal this off season will be, by far, our best indicator as to what he will do with it in the future. If the on court results fall off next season with the roster he ends up with, that is a very, VERY bad sign for the future. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 8, 2023 9:09:48 GMT -6
I have heard that the Chinese words for "crises" and "opportunity" are the same. Is this true? I have no idea, but it's a useful concept, and it definitely applies to Mac basketball programs in this new and unsettled world of NIL and transfers. A clever, resourceful, adaptable coach could run circles around his more stuck-in-their-ways competitors. Who has such a coach? We will find out. I'm not sure what you have in mind.
I agree a coach who is not willing to adapt is doomed, but I think they all realize that, and I think there are limited options available. Which will make it awfully hard to year after year find new angles the others can't quickly adopt, or that give much edge.
More likely to me is that there are in fact gains from trying something new, but the other coaches will quickly catch on, and it will not be so easy to run circles around the other coaches as you suggest.
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Post by 00hmh on May 8, 2023 9:21:50 GMT -6
Thad Matta says "I want guys I can coach." Evidently he inherited guys who weren't keen to being coached hard. I assume Lewis is of the same mindset and is being very selective in who he recruits. Hard to find guys who truly WANT to be coached anymore. Already we have seen on this board Lewis's "toughness" used as an excuse for lack of on court and recruiting success in various ways. If a trait of your coach is used as an excuse for failure, then maybe it isn't such a good trait after all? I don't see anybody suggesting excuses. Or see that too much "toughness" is a credible explanation of anything.
Lewis in his first year exceeded expectations significantly. So the "lack of success" is something that isn't real in that respect. That we might have done more is of course true. But, isn't it always?
What limited our success had little to do with lack of toughness or too much toughness by anybody, more with lack of depth on the roster, some disappointing performance by a player or two, but basically that we weren't at full strength at the season's end.
Seems also we had good success in recruiting. The suggestion Sparks and Sellers are leaving due to conflict with the coach over hard work don't hold water. Far more likely it is the lack of BSU providing a big stage or opportunity for big NIL. Those are also disadvantages for us longer term in having great success on a national level. Not excuses, but real disadvantages we are unlikely to be able to somehow overcome consistently.
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