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Post by villagepub on Oct 22, 2023 15:53:56 GMT -6
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Post by villagepub on Oct 22, 2023 15:57:42 GMT -6
This season has sucked and there are no excuses but we have been pretty banged up. Got some guys back today which helped. I think more importantly the switch to Kelly and move away from the coach talk towards fuck it lets roll and learn together lifted a bunch of weight off the team and even the staff. Its what everyone has wanted for over a year. Its probably all short lived and we might not win many more but it feels good. Staff will not keep this offense, Im not even sure they should but its keeping us alive in games and its more fun for us so enjoy it. Should be 4-4 at this point if BSU had settled on a versatile QB that doesn't rely on pocket protection earlier. Injuries also key. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 22, 2023 17:51:15 GMT -6
This season has sucked and there are no excuses but we have been pretty banged up. Got some guys back today which helped. I think more importantly the switch to Kelly and move away from the coach talk towards fuck it lets roll and learn together lifted a bunch of weight off the team and even the staff. Its what everyone has wanted for over a year. Its probably all short lived and we might not win many more but it feels good. Staff will not keep this offense, Im not even sure they should but its keeping us alive in games and its more fun for us so enjoy it. Should be 4-4 at this point if BSU had settled on a versatile QB that doesn't rely on pocket protection earlier. Injuries also key. With one more game we are favored, that plus an upset might have got us to a meaningless bowl. The injuries probably hurt the QBs, taking away receivers, and some blocking.
We were not running the ball very well either, and that meant the passing was under more pressure than otherwise, some of that injury to OL maybe.
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Post by coastalcard on Oct 22, 2023 18:35:10 GMT -6
This season has sucked and there are no excuses but we have been pretty banged up. Got some guys back today which helped. I think more importantly the switch to Kelly and move away from the coach talk towards fuck it lets roll and learn together lifted a bunch of weight off the team and even the staff. Its what everyone has wanted for over a year. Its probably all short lived and we might not win many more but it feels good. Staff will not keep this offense, Im not even sure they should but its keeping us alive in games and its more fun for us so enjoy it. Should be 4-4 at this point if BSU had settled on a versatile QB that doesn't rely on pocket protection earlier. Injuries also key. Agree. A competent coaching staff could have evaluated the three qb options and selected the correct one that fit with the abilities of the remainder of the returning offensive team. It seems everyone on here (coaching experts?) were alluding to lack of OL and WRs. |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 22, 2023 19:36:08 GMT -6
Should be 4-4 at this point if BSU had settled on a versatile QB that doesn't rely on pocket protection earlier. Injuries also key. Agree. A competent coaching staff could have evaluated the three qb options and selected the correct one that fit with the abilities of the remainder of the returning offensive team. It seems everyone on here (coaching experts?) were alluding to lack of OL and WRs. It was pretty obvious after the ga South game that major changes needed to be made. But, the staff needed two losses in the MAC to figure that out. We’d lost Hunt before the season, Pemberton in game 1 and Robinson in game two. So major parts of what we planned to do were out long before Neu and Lynch woke up. And I’m skeptical we’d have been good enough on offense WITH those guys. Better maybe, but based on weaknesses we otherwise have, like OL, we’d still have tried to force things with an immobile Qb. The Neu tenure has been mostly marked by slow adjustments or lack of any adjustments. Day late and a dollar short. Coaches should always coach to the talent they have, not try make the talent do what they can’t. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 22, 2023 19:40:59 GMT -6
A lot of you are saying we’re going back to Semonza next year, my wuestion for you is, given Neu’s history of loyalty to his QB, do you think he’ll bail on Kelly if Kelly delivers a handful of wins here?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 22, 2023 20:55:19 GMT -6
A lot of you are saying we’re going back to Semonza next year, my wuestion for you is, given Neu’s history of loyalty to his QB, do you think he’ll bail on Kelly if Kelly delivers a handful of wins here? Yea cause they have no idea what they are doing even though basically every other team is running a more wide open offense. We dont have the pieces to truely run it right so if the current staff stays we would have to portal and win a bunch of oline etc, If they go it depends on the hire if its a new staff and they value rpo then Kelly becomes more valuable than Semonza |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 22, 2023 21:02:17 GMT -6
You gotta give the staff credit though they have added and adapted/learned enough to make it at least kinda work. Kelly threw it better as well. Its really a mirror image of finn at toledo except they switched and threw Finn out there as a true freshman and he was garbage as a passer but each game/year he has gotten better. This week they are getting top 25 votes. Barring a MAC slip up they are going to finish out top 20
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 22, 2023 21:08:02 GMT -6
Agree. A competent coaching staff could have evaluated the three qb options and selected the correct one that fit with the abilities of the remainder of the returning offensive team. It seems everyone on here (coaching experts?) were alluding to lack of OL and WRs. It was pretty obvious after the ga South game that major changes needed to be made. But, the staff needed two losses in the MAC to figure that out. We’d lost Hunt before the season, Pemberton in game 1 and Robinson in game two. So major parts of what we planned to do were out long before Neu and Lynch woke up. And I’m skeptical we’d have been good enough on offense WITH those guys. Better maybe, but based on weaknesses we otherwise have, like OL, we’d still have tried to force things with an immobile Qb. The Neu tenure has been mostly marked by slow adjustments or lack of any adjustments. Day late and a dollar short. Coaches should always coach to the talent they have, not try make the talent do what they can’t. It's really 2 seasons this coaching staff has screwed up with its poor QB choices and poor play calling. Anybody want to defend the staff for playing Paddock over Kelly last year? And imagine what Kelly might have looked like now if he'd actually been allowed to get experience last year, not to mention if he were allowed to play in a system that maximized his talents. But, yeah, given Neu's apparent offensive leanings, I would still transfer at the end of the year if I'm Kelly. Neu has pretty much proven that he's going to give everyone else the benefit of the doubt before he trusts Kellly. To paraphrase the saying, he can't make the right choice until he's made all the wrong ones first. There'll already be Semonza, the new freshman and who knows whatever transfer shows up, and Neu will likely try them all before he hands the ball to Kelly. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 22, 2023 21:31:48 GMT -6
It was pretty obvious after the ga South game that major changes needed to be made. But, the staff needed two losses in the MAC to figure that out. We’d lost Hunt before the season, Pemberton in game 1 and Robinson in game two. So major parts of what we planned to do were out long before Neu and Lynch woke up. And I’m skeptical we’d have been good enough on offense WITH those guys. Better maybe, but based on weaknesses we otherwise have, like OL, we’d still have tried to force things with an immobile Qb. The Neu tenure has been mostly marked by slow adjustments or lack of any adjustments. Day late and a dollar short. Coaches should always coach to the talent they have, not try make the talent do what they can’t. It's really 2 seasons this coaching staff has screwed up with its poor QB choices and poor play calling. Anybody want to defend the staff for playing Paddock over Kelly last year? And imagine what Kelly might have looked like now if he'd actually been allowed to get experience last year, not to mention if he were allowed to play in a system that maximized his talents. But, yeah, given Neu's apparent offensive leanings, I would still transfer at the end of the year if I'm Kelly. Neu has pretty much proven that he's going to give everyone else the benefit of the doubt before he trusts Kellly. To paraphrase the saying, he can't make the right choice until he's made all the wrong ones first. There'll already be Semonza, the new freshman and who knows whatever transfer shows up, and Neu will likely try them all before he hands the ball to Kelly. Sadly all true except Cardfan and I were screaming to put Kelly in after 4 games. If mike stays the after seasons meetings are going to be interesting Kelly would stay if Mike tells him yes we are evolving with you and no matter what your my guy this is us. At that point you gotta assume you lose Semonza. Option 2 is Mike tells both Semonza and Kelly its an open comp and Kelly goes portal cause everyone knows Semonza is not rpo. Option 3 one of Kelly or Semonza concedes and says Im staying anyway.(IMO doubtful) Last option and hope this doesnt happen he tells both what they want to here and shits on Kelly again. No need to do that just let him go, Help him go he is too good of a kid to jerk him around that has happened enough |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 22, 2023 21:41:09 GMT -6
weve also not mentioned this much but it falls into the excuse category. Ga and kentucky have been ranked. Toledo will be and Ga southern is fringe top 25. Bad luck we caught GA southern and Toledos best teams in years. Western and Eastern we caught at our peak injury list. Other years maybe we win one or two of these. Just a shitty year though but ya cant be fucking around finding your Qb six games into the season...
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Post by villagepub on Oct 23, 2023 7:49:51 GMT -6
A lot of you are saying we’re going back to Semonza next year, my wuestion for you is, given Neu’s history of loyalty to his QB, do you think he’ll bail on Kelly if Kelly delivers a handful of wins here? Redshirt Semonza. Give Kelly one more year at the helm. He needs snaps. If Semonza goes portal, he probably was anyway. It might also give BSU time to rebuild the O-line for a pocket passer. |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 23, 2023 8:20:10 GMT -6
A lot of you are saying we’re going back to Semonza next year, my wuestion for you is, given Neu’s history of loyalty to his QB, do you think he’ll bail on Kelly if Kelly delivers a handful of wins here? Redshirt Semonza. Give Kelly one more year at the helm. He needs snaps. If Semonza goes portal, he probably was anyway. It might also give BSU time to rebuild the O-line for a pocket passer. Semonza is redshirting now. Neu can say all he wants in pressers about how dynamic Kelly is, the truth is Neu absolutely wants a pocket passer QB who is mobile, but not a runner. He wants to grind out games just as he was taught by Schudel. Mike and Kevin have no clue how to really run an offense that maximizes kelly's talent, which is more more about learning when to pull the ball back and take off. He's not a passer. He CAN throw it, he's just not able to read defenses that well. (partly because Neu has never trusted him so they've never worked on that with Kelly) He has a hard time pulling the trigger, which is understandable. It's almost a lock that we go back to Semonza next year, and if he struggles they'll look at the incoming kid. (if he sticks with us) Neu will always be trying to find that next "guy" and it feels like we'll never really have a championship level QB, or game plan. (we don't develop our QBs well) If Kelly stays they'll still have a "package" for him but it'll go back to being a handful of carries a game. And I'm saying that's what's going to happen if even Kelly takes us on a magic carpet ride and we win out and go to a bowl. Only way Mike lets Kelly be the starter next year is if Mike fires Lynch and hires an OC that is well versed in RPO and can make things happen there. But to do that you have to totally adjust your philosophy, recruiting, blocking scheme, etc. and Mike isn't going to do that. The change this year is just a band aid to try to stop the bleeding and save his job. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 23, 2023 8:49:18 GMT -6
Having to make changes, so many, certainly delayed Kelly as QB.
That was not as unreasonable as it seems to most.
All the talk about changing to fit our personnel overlooks the fact we don't have great personnel for RPO either. Yes, Kelly, but poor OL play hurts any offense.
Criticizing staff for not being excellent in RPO is again the same thing. Very understandable Neu saw the change differently than we do in the stands.
As several have said this change is no slam dunk the rest of the way. Could well be inconclusive in the end.
Our defense improving and two games where opponents were not going to be very good passing made the choice look a little better than it probably is.
cardfan is right, a decision to go with Kelly next year means a whole set of more changes. Player and coach turnover AND losing two pretty good QB recruits.
Our best future new coach is not likely to be an old style conservative like Neu, but also unlikely to be RPO. Not unless we suddenly can become a defensive juggernaut, attracting a great DC, too, and great athletes that side of the ball, not exactly MAC FB...
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Post by cardfan on Oct 23, 2023 10:07:59 GMT -6
Semonza can move a little and the incoming recruit has some good rushing totals to go along with his passing. I think he has 31 total TD or something like that. We aren't necessarily QB poor, but we are certainly overall talent and scheme poor.
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