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Post by universityjim on Oct 26, 2023 6:57:24 GMT -6
That part of the plan where we hire somebody who is good at a high salary and then have money to get a good replacement is short circuited when you hire on a shoestring and then have a shoestring to hire a replacement...
Rick Majerus left and we made a good deal to get Hunsaker. Then we blew it by firing him...
Threw Hunsaker to the wolves to reduce the ncaa penalty. At a bigger name school what we’d done would have been small potatoes. NCAA was over the top punitive toward us. Worthen was willi To sacrifice Hunsaker. Did we even offer up like a10 game suspension or anything like that? Dick loved coaching at Bsu. Of course today it’s just NIL…. Didn't Hunsaker get a multi year ban on coaching by the NCAA? I don't think we could have kept him anyway. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 26, 2023 7:32:53 GMT -6
No NCAA action. We fired him in response to NCAA investigation of alleged minor infractions. Out of proportion response to out of proportion complaints. AD decision.
He was perhaps guilty of doing what Majerus had done and had been ignored.
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Post by david75bsu on Oct 26, 2023 8:56:47 GMT -6
That part of the plan where we hire somebody who is good at a high salary and then have money to get a good replacement is short circuited when you hire on a shoestring and then have a shoestring to hire a replacement...
Rick Majerus left and we made a good deal to get Hunsaker. Then we blew it by firing him...
Threw Hunsaker to the wolves to reduce the ncaa penalty. At a bigger name school what we’d done would have been small potatoes. NCAA was over the top punitive toward us. Worthen was willi To sacrifice Hunsaker. Did we even offer up like a10 game suspension or anything like that? Dick loved coaching at Bsu. Of course today it’s just NIL…. This move took down the Ball State basketball program. He was the best coach we ever had. Loved Ball State. Probably would be here today had we had the balls to support and tell the NCAA to “F” off! |
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Post by david75bsu on Oct 26, 2023 8:57:42 GMT -6
Threw Hunsaker to the wolves to reduce the ncaa penalty. At a bigger name school what we’d done would have been small potatoes. NCAA was over the top punitive toward us. Worthen was willi To sacrifice Hunsaker. Did we even offer up like a10 game suspension or anything like that? Dick loved coaching at Bsu. Of course today it’s just NIL…. Didn't Hunsaker get a multi year ban on coaching by the NCAA? I don't think we could have kept him anyway. Yes he did! |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 26, 2023 9:16:23 GMT -6
Didn't Hunsaker get a multi year ban on coaching by the NCAA? I don't think we could have kept him anyway. Yes he did! He left college coaching for 2 years but my recollection is that was his decision and due to our action which made him look responsible not the NCAA ordering it.
"Left Ball State in 1993 amidst an NCAA investigation, but was never charged with any rules violations"
Payne was declared ineligible. Many around here remember details of the allegations and believe NCAA used BSU to make an example of something that was minor if it was a violation or could be proven, and to boot was a widely ignored practice. Hunsaker denied any violation on his part, and was fired to avoid any "appearance of impropriety." My thought is it made us look more guilty rather than making us look like champions of righteousness.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 26, 2023 9:55:48 GMT -6
No NCAA action. We fired him in response to NCAA investigation of alleged minor infractions. Out of proportion response to out of proportion complaints. AD decision. He was perhaps guilty of doing what Majerus had done and had been ignored. When Majerus was hired he told the search committee they’d have to be willing to bend a few rules if they wanted to win. Dick took tjr fall for things that started under Rick. And yes they were relatively minor compared to say, what Kentucky was doing…. Ncaa made sn example out of us because it was easy low hanging fruit. A long time ago I was told the snitch was a street agent or high school coach or someone related to a player, and that person (not the player) felt they didn’t get “rewarded” enough or at all for delivering a player, so he turned bsu in. I think basically we didn’t agree to pay for his silence. For A kid who ended up never playing at BSU. might not have played anywhere. Hunsaker took a lot of chances on high risk big time players. Some panned out, many didn’t. Prop 48 kept a lot of kids out of programs where they could have gotten help. Remember the name Kenny Pratt? Starred at Iowa st, got an NBA shot. He started out at bsu as a prop 48. I was told he loved to party and the coaches had no control because prop 48’s weren’t allowed to be any part of the program. He flunked out, went Juco and next thing you know he’s with Iowa st and doing big things. |
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Post by universityjim on Oct 26, 2023 10:30:47 GMT -6
No NCAA action. We fired him in response to NCAA investigation of alleged minor infractions. Out of proportion response to out of proportion complaints. AD decision. He was perhaps guilty of doing what Majerus had done and had been ignored. It didn't end with Steve Payne. Here is a link to the Major Infraction. You can go read the whole thing at the NCAA Major Infraction Database. web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/miCaseView?id=145Violation Summary: EXTRA BENEFITS: impermissible transportation, food and approximately $1,600 in advance wages provided to student-athlete who was a partial qualifier; free lodging and several cash payments from athletics representative; head coach provided athletics apparel and shoes. IMPERMISSIBLE RECRUITING: athletics representative provided approximately $2,000 for tuition of nonqualifiers; tryout. ELIGIBILITY: head coach arranged for athletics representative to employ ineligible student-athletes. UNETHICAL CONDUCT. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL. Penalty Summary: Public reprimand; maximum of one coach recruiting off campus during the academic year and two coaches in the summer from 7/1/94 to 7/30/95; recertification; disassociation of four athletics representatives; reduction from 13 to 12 grants for 1994-95 and 1995-96; reduction from 12 to 10 official visits for 1994-95 and 1995-96; annual reports. You have to read the PDF to get the real details. 5. The former head men's basketball coach has been informed in writing by the NCAA that, due to his involvement in certain violations of NCAA legislation found in this case, if he seeks employment or affiliation in an athletically related position at an NCAA member institution from October 12, 1993, to April 1, 1995, he and the involved institution [Page 14] shall be requested to appear before the Committee on Infractions to consider whether the member institution should be subject to the show-cause procedures of Bylaw 19.6.2.1-(l), which could limit the former coach's athletically related duties at the new institution for a designated period. |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 26, 2023 12:20:46 GMT -6
Rick coached in the CBA for 2 years before returning to college coaching.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 26, 2023 12:23:41 GMT -6
No NCAA action. We fired him in response to NCAA investigation of alleged minor infractions. Out of proportion response to out of proportion complaints. AD decision. He was perhaps guilty of doing what Majerus had done and had been ignored. It didn't end with Steve Payne. Here is a link to the Major Infraction. You can go read the whole thing at the NCAA Major Infraction Database. web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/miCaseView?id=145Violation Summary: EXTRA BENEFITS: impermissible transportation, food and approximately $1,600 in advance wages provided to student-athlete who was a partial qualifier; free lodging and several cash payments from athletics representative; head coach provided athletics apparel and shoes. IMPERMISSIBLE RECRUITING: athletics representative provided approximately $2,000 for tuition of nonqualifiers; tryout. ELIGIBILITY: head coach arranged for athletics representative to employ ineligible student-athletes. UNETHICAL CONDUCT. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL. Penalty Summary: Public reprimand; maximum of one coach recruiting off campus during the academic year and two coaches in the summer from 7/1/94 to 7/30/95; recertification; disassociation of four athletics representatives; reduction from 13 to 12 grants for 1994-95 and 1995-96; reduction from 12 to 10 official visits for 1994-95 and 1995-96; annual reports. You have to read the PDF to get the real details. 5. The former head men's basketball coach has been informed in writing by the NCAA that, due to his involvement in certain violations of NCAA legislation found in this case, if he seeks employment or affiliation in an athletically related position at an NCAA member institution from October 12, 1993, to April 1, 1995, he and the involved institution [Page 14] shall be requested to appear before the Committee on Infractions to consider whether the member institution should be subject to the show-cause procedures of Bylaw 19.6.2.1-(l), which could limit the former coach's athletically related duties at the new institution for a designated period. Nonetheless those details do not prevent him from coaching jobs. It means the NCAA backed off the investigation without a finding, but threatens to consider it later. That no doubt discouraged other institutions from going to the hassle, but no violation is on Hunsakers "record." He is accused basically of being aware of these abuses, and that MIGHT limit him after further hearing on it. |
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Post by realitycheck on Oct 26, 2023 12:33:51 GMT -6
No NCAA action. We fired him in response to NCAA investigation of alleged minor infractions. Out of proportion response to out of proportion complaints. AD decision. He was perhaps guilty of doing what Majerus had done and had been ignored. When Majerus was hired he told the search committee they’d have to be willing to bend a few rules if they wanted to win. Dick took tjr fall for things that started under Rick. And yes they were relatively minor compared to say, what Kentucky was doing…. Ncaa made sn example out of us because it was easy low hanging fruit. A long time ago I was told the snitch was a street agent or high school coach or someone related to a player, and that person (not the player) felt they didn’t get “rewarded” enough or at all for delivering a player, so he turned bsu in. I think basically we didn’t agree to pay for his silence. For A kid who ended up never playing at BSU. might not have played anywhere. Hunsaker took a lot of chances on high risk big time players. Some panned out, many didn’t. Prop 48 kept a lot of kids out of programs where they could have gotten help. Remember the name Kenny Pratt? Starred at Iowa st, got an NBA shot. He started out at bsu as a prop 48. I was told he loved to party and the coaches had no control because prop 48’s weren’t allowed to be any part of the program. He flunked out, went Juco and next thing you know he’s with Iowa st and doing big things. Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. But you can't hold a whole university responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole athletic system? And if the whole athletic system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! |
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Post by universityjim on Oct 26, 2023 12:40:51 GMT -6
Amen
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