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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 18, 2024 14:57:27 GMT -6
Further, does it even matter anymore? Programs across the country are losing their most promising players. We aren't unique in that and we aren't going to be immune no matter what we do/how we're coached/how much we win. This is how it is now and when you recruit kids you take the risk that they'll see $reener pastures elsewhere. At this point all that matters is how well Lewis recruits the kids who left other programs for greener pastures/better situations/whatever. Unless we come up with a F-Ton of money to entice our best talent to stick around they just aren't going to unless they aren't wired to need be re-recruited and fawned over every damn year. But yet the contending MAC teams every year deal with this same issue and somehow manage to retain and/or add enough talent to vie for the MAC title. And we....never do. Ever. I'm f-----g sick of it. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 18, 2024 15:01:42 GMT -6
Possible, but I think warm weather kids are the ones who miss home after a lovely winter & spring in Indiana. Philly has equally lousy weather. I am going to default on any portal transfers to two main reasons with the caveat that I may be completely wrong. 1.) They had a good year so they want paid and a chance to play for a program that is a proven contender. We didn't make the top eight in a one-bid league. 2.) They can't stand the constant heat from the coach. You think you know what it's like until he climbs up your ass for 6 straight months. And the better you are the more intense the lashings. No inside knowledge, just pure speculation based on Knight's approach. Still feel like the difference is IU was a top 5 program for most of his tenure and you endured the culture because the reward was so great. I still prefer Mike to our last three coaches but a tempering of the blown gasket approach would be preferred. So how do we explain Jones and Hendricks 100% loving the guy... How did Hendricks manage to escape the 4 year doghousr of Whit and Gel better with Lewis. If championships were won by developing 6-10 Canucks from completely worthless to sort-of mediocre, Lewis would be on track for multiple MAC COY awards. |
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 18, 2024 15:07:11 GMT -6
Is this the beginning of another mass exodus from Lewis? I wouldn't call it a mass exodus from Lewis so much as the new norm. Really good teams will lose similar numbers and so will teams like us who struggled to get beyond .500. |
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 18, 2024 15:13:21 GMT -6
Possible, but I think warm weather kids are the ones who miss home after a lovely winter & spring in Indiana. Philly has equally lousy weather. I am going to default on any portal transfers to two main reasons with the caveat that I may be completely wrong. 1.) They had a good year so they want paid and a chance to play for a program that is a proven contender. We didn't make the top eight in a one-bid league. 2.) They can't stand the constant heat from the coach. You think you know what it's like until he climbs up your ass for 6 straight months. And the better you are the more intense the lashings. No inside knowledge, just pure speculation based on Knight's approach. Still feel like the difference is IU was a top 5 program for most of his tenure and you endured the culture because the reward was so great. I still prefer Mike to our last three coaches but a tempering of the blown gasket approach would be preferred. So how do we explain Jones and Hendricks 100% loving the guy... How did Hendricks manage to escape the 4 year doghousr of Whit and Gel better with Lewis. My guess with Hendricks development is he's in his sixth year, they worked with him a lot after Sparks left, he played against Sparks and Jihad in practice and we had to play him this year because Doughty was hurt from Day 1 and we had no bench to speak of. It was an alignment of the stars. I also think Hendricks is super laid back and doesn't really react to Lewis' rants or criticism, just rolls off his back like water on a duck. For Mason Jones, he's a humble kid who obviously works his ass off and apparently he doesn't take it personally when he gets ripped. Some kids can handle it and others can't. We need to find more who can take the heat and bring the heat on the court. |
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Post by universityjim on Mar 18, 2024 15:17:35 GMT -6
I think and stress think this is a wanting to go home move.. Philly and Muncie could not be more different Possible, but I think warm weather kids are the ones who miss home after a lovely winter & spring in Indiana. Philly has equally lousy weather. I am going to default on any portal transfers to two main reasons with the caveat that I may be completely wrong. 1.) They had a good year so they want paid and a chance to play for a program that is a proven contender. We didn't make the top eight in a one-bid league. 2.) They can't stand the constant heat from the coach. You think you know what it's like until he climbs up your ass for 6 straight months. And the better you are the more intense the lashings. No inside knowledge, just pure speculation based on Knight's approach. Still feel like the difference is IU was a top 5 program for most of his tenure and you endured the culture because the reward was so great. I still prefer Mike to our last three coaches but a tempering of the blown gasket approach would be preferred. Philly kids miss their cheesesteaks. Penn Station doesn't cut it. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 18, 2024 15:21:11 GMT -6
In related news Hendricks has his 1000th surgery tomorrow
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2024 16:41:29 GMT -6
Is this the beginning of another mass exodus from Lewis? By the time the smokes clears prob 4/6 Any number might exit. Not sure it all has that much to do with Lewis. Dreams of glory, not seeing their vision for their game, and the quick buck seem to me to explain most exits. Somebody like Bell benched and disfavored could easily blame the coach as being unreasonable, that is true. But c'mon. That Lewis is hard on those he thinks can improve still boils down to "their game" not fitting. People just don't want to change, delude themselves, blame others. Would they really have been happy to be told all was well, and not play? |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 18, 2024 16:42:29 GMT -6
In related news Hendricks has his 1000th surgery tomorrow He is the Bane of having surgery. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2024 16:48:01 GMT -6
Further, does it even matter anymore? Programs across the country are losing their most promising players. We aren't unique in that and we aren't going to be immune no matter what we do/how we're coached/how much we win. This is how it is now and when you recruit kids you take the risk that they'll see $reener pastures elsewhere. At this point all that matters is how well Lewis recruits the kids who left other programs for greener pastures/better situations/whatever. Unless we come up with a F-Ton of money to entice our best talent to stick around they just aren't going to unless they aren't wired to need be re-recruited and fawned over every damn year. But yet the contending MAC teams every year deal with this same issue and somehow manage to retain and/or add enough talent to vie for the MAC title. Actually the contending teams haven't deal with as much loss as we had this year and Lewis dealt well with the portal, retaining players his first year. And we have only those years really to compare performance in the portal so "every year" is exaggerated an not justified on both counts. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 18, 2024 19:35:08 GMT -6
Actually the contending teams haven't deal with as much loss as we had this year and Lewis dealt well with the portal, retaining players his first year. Or was it that the contending teams dealt well with the portal this year and Lewis didn't have to contend with much loss his first year? |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 18, 2024 19:56:49 GMT -6
Actually the contending teams haven't deal with as much loss as we had this year and Lewis dealt well with the portal, retaining players his first year. Or was it that the contending teams dealt well with the portal this year and Lewis didn't have to contend with much loss his first year? He evaluated the talent, made priority to do so and held onto his good players which is no accident. Give him credit. This year I see no way he keeps Sparks or Sellers, Bumb he replaced. Coleman at last minute lost, very hard to find an equal. Cleary didn't fit, was replaced. Hard to evaluate his additions of players injured. The other newcomers were fine. Adams and Bell we can criticize holding on to, not clear the circumstances there with either. Contending teams lost less with different timing. Holding on to Coleman, no injuries, we'd have been enough better to not moan and groan despite the losses. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 18, 2024 20:29:54 GMT -6
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 18, 2024 20:58:19 GMT -6
Wonder who is getting their money’s worth. These $4k rewards, or the $15 million indoor football practice facility?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 18, 2024 21:31:49 GMT -6
Wonder who is getting their money’s worth. These $4k rewards, or the $15 million indoor football practice facility? Who cares you didnt answer the question. No ones been talking about football.. You have been and continue the dodge the fact that Lewis or any other future coach at BSU is always going to have one hand tied behind thier back until BSU finds the money to pay to get the players its going to need to do what you want which is to win. You say grab what you need from the portal well we are going to get what we can pay for. Akron Kent Miami Toledo Western Eastern are going to get better portal players than us.. The practice facilty you brought up took about 25 years of rounding up donations from football people or people who did not mind their money going to football. Thats not Nil or Alston Rewards. |
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 18, 2024 22:11:15 GMT -6
I wouldn't call the loss of one player we probably would have liked to keep and one player we probably wanted to go a "mass exodus." However, I'd still expect several more to depart, which might qualify in the end.
As I stated previously, I see the retention of Jones as a positive in that he's been the only player Lewis has recruited who had the time to soak in what he was really getting into and it didn't scare him off. If he's able to take that next step in his development, we'll get to see if we can pony up the cash to keep him.
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