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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 7, 2023 13:33:48 GMT -6
I'm sure Pete Lembo had a hand in recruiting Brady to SC Why he does not know Brady? |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 7, 2023 13:47:35 GMT -6
At a lower level we might free up 400K in coaching salary. Probably less, but substantial. Reallocating say 200K to BB and 200K to other Program coaches would make sense. Moving 10-20 FB scholarships to a new men's program, say Track and Field eats some money. But a couple scholarships going along with NIL elsewhere makes sense. Substantial NIL to BB. Staff and other expenses reallocated across the Department. Certainly some donor money might be shifted, a lot of general fund CVC and a lot of NIL could be targeted to improve BB. In BB that would move us into being a pretty well funded MVC or MAC program for sure. No way we are funded as well as a P5. The kid's idea we tap more wealthy alums, that somehow I doubt. Not without results and without a big FB deficit. Might well lose overall athletic donations under a FB downgrade initially, at least until we showed BB success. That fuels giving, but you can't borrow against future success, have to ride the wave. Majerus and Ray both tried to leverage success and FB got the money as a priority, much of it generated by athletic giving produced by BB. Akron spends 2.9 on Basketball to lead the mac we spend 1.8 the average is 2.5ish We dont need to drop football to make that up just work harder on donations and attendance Bradley leads MVC at 3.5 the rest of MVC averages about 2.7 Murray did not report again not worth dropping football. Indiana state spends 2.1
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 13:59:14 GMT -6
At a lower level we might free up 400K in coaching salary. Probably less, but substantial. Reallocating say 200K to BB and 200K to other Program coaches would make sense. Moving 10-20 FB scholarships to a new men's program, say Track and Field eats some money. But a couple scholarships going along with NIL elsewhere makes sense. Substantial NIL to BB. Staff and other expenses reallocated across the Department. Certainly some donor money might be shifted, a lot of general fund CVC and a lot of NIL could be targeted to improve BB. In BB that would move us into being a pretty well funded MVC or MAC program for sure. No way we are funded as well as a P5. The kid's idea we tap more wealthy alums, that somehow I doubt. Not without results and without a big FB deficit. Might well lose overall athletic donations under a FB downgrade initially, at least until we showed BB success. That fuels giving, but you can't borrow against future success, have to ride the wave. Majerus and Ray both tried to leverage success and FB got the money as a priority, much of it generated by athletic giving produced by BB. Akron spends 2.9 on Basketball to lead the mac we spend 1.8 the average is 2.5ish We dont need to drop football to make that up just work harder on donations and attendance Bradley leads MVC at 3.5 the rest of MVC averages about 2.7 Murray did not report again not worth dropping football. Indiana state spends 2.1
I would not propose to drop FB. I am not so sure the math works out so easily with finding those new donors and new paid attendance. I'm all for it. You also assume the FB deficit will not grow, and any additional money will be allocated soley to BB.
My point is also that an infusion of FB money from downsizing would allow us to go past the top of the MAC to the top tier of the MVC.
ISU does not support FBS FB. Nor other good MVC programs. The kid has a point there. As usual he probably exaggerated the possibilities.
The other point I am making is that FB expenses are escalating and standing pat will get more and more expensive. New money will have to go to fund that growing deficit.(not to mention the immediate buyout of a coach we've been talking about.)
Historically when BSU was flush with BB money relatively, they made BB a cash cow and spent it elsewhere.
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Post by chupacabra on Dec 7, 2023 14:03:46 GMT -6
The money 5 and the group of 5 should break off soon. It's coming.
Separate championships.
It's the only way to save lower division 1 sports
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 7, 2023 14:20:22 GMT -6
Akron spends 2.9 on Basketball to lead the mac we spend 1.8 the average is 2.5ish We dont need to drop football to make that up just work harder on donations and attendance Bradley leads MVC at 3.5 the rest of MVC averages about 2.7 Murray did not report again not worth dropping football. Indiana state spends 2.1
I would not propose to drop FB. I am not so sure the math works out so easily with finding those new donors and new paid attendance. I'm all for it. You also assume the FB deficit will not grow, and any additional money will be allocated soley to BB.
My point is also that an infusion of FB money from downsizing would allow us to go past the top of the MAC to the top tier of the MVC.
ISU does not support FBS FB. Nor other good MVC programs. The kid has a point there. As usual he probably exaggerated the possibilities.
The other point I am making is that FB expenses are escalating and standing pat will get more and more expensive. New money will have to go to fund that growing deficit.(not to mention the immediate buyout of a coach we've been talking about.)
Historically when BSU was flush with BB money relatively, they made BB a cash cow and spent it elsewhere.
500-700 k puts us right in the middle of mvc and upper Mac |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 14:41:43 GMT -6
I would not propose to drop FB...You also assume the FB deficit will not grow, and any additional money will be allocated soley to BB.
My point is also that an infusion of FB money from downsizing would allow us to go past the top of the MAC to the top tier of the MVC...Historically when BSU was flush with BB money relatively, they made BB a cash cow and spent it elsewhere.
500-700 k puts us right in the middle of mvc and upper Mac Kid's point still good. With FB costs escalating can we continue funding at today's budget there? I doubt it. If we do we're spending more and more to be middle(maybe?) in the MAC in FB. With no assurance we can find the 700K more in BB. VERY likely any additional BB revenue would be needed for FB...very likely new donor money needed there. The choice is there of being at the top of the heap in BB in our conference and among the stronger mid majors if we find savings in FB. AND to help other programs. This is all assuming we can escape the MAC FB money pit where we're probably stuck short term. Sadly, another missed BSUish opportunity in BB. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 15:41:02 GMT -6
Equity sports also represents Patrick Mahomes and slews of other NFL players. This is a step in marketing him before he enters draft next year. Its hard to for us to understand the depths of what NIL has became and bad its brutally fnng us Just saw an NCAA proposal allowing "trusts" up to $30K for college to pay athletes directly for the resource rich" programs. That's in addition to NIL. I.e., its the chance for many of the P5 to essentially create their own big money division and push schools like ours even further down. There will come a day where there's a "haves" division and a "have nots" division. I'm not even sure we can compete with the have nots. Will there be a "have even less than not" group? We could be in that one. At any rate, NIL has gone WAY beyond what it was intended because the NCAA failed (were afraid to) put any kind of guardrails on it. Oh well. |
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Post by david75bsu on Dec 7, 2023 18:29:11 GMT -6
Just saw an NCAA proposal allowing "trusts" up to $30K for college to pay athletes directly for the resource rich" programs. That's in addition to NIL. I.e., its the chance for many of the P5 to essentially create their own big money division and push schools like ours even further down. There will come a day where there's a "haves" division and a "have nots" division. I'm not even sure we can compete with the have nots. Will there be a "have even less than not" group? We could be in that one. At any rate, NIL has gone WAY beyond what it was intended because the NCAA failed (were afraid to) put any kind of guardrails on it. Oh well. This will take us back to the day when Ohio State had 200 football scholarships and not sure how many basketball scholarships. So many players setting on the bench and never seeing action - buy, WOW, they’re on the team! |
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 7, 2023 18:33:57 GMT -6
Moving 10-20 FB scholarships to a new men's program, say Track and Field eats some money. But a couple scholarships going along with NIL elsewhere makes sense. Substantial NIL to BB. Staff and other expenses reallocated across the Department. Not that I'm necessarily behind the Kid's proposal, but the difference in scholarships between FBS and FCS is 22. And if you're looking to redistribute money to basketball, you aren't moving those scholarships to other sports; you're getting rid of them. Then you're dropping an equivalent number of women's scholarships. That's gotta be 1, maybe 2, teams, not to mention the salaries of the coaches, trainers, support staff, costs of infrastructure to run the programs, travel costs, etc. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 18:55:03 GMT -6
Moving 10-20 FB scholarships to a new men's program, say Track and Field eats some money. But a couple scholarships going along with NIL elsewhere makes sense. Substantial NIL to BB. Staff and other expenses reallocated across the Department. Not that I'm necessarily behind the Kid's proposal, but the difference in scholarships between FBS and FCS is 22. And if you're looking to redistribute money to basketball, you aren't moving those scholarships to other sports; you're getting rid of them. Then you're dropping an equivalent number of women's scholarships. That's gotta be 1, maybe 2, teams, not to mention the salaries of the coaches, trainers, support staff, costs of infrastructure to run the programs, travel costs, etc. I didn't say scholarships to BB. They could go to another sport or as you say go away creating a saving since so many are for our of state tuition. I'd love some of them elsewhere. Would not have to cut women's programs. It's probably OK to have more women on scholarship under Title IX...the balance can be a rough balance and depends on a formula that is not just equal numbers. FB has always had a bit of a priority as it is calculated. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 19:00:48 GMT -6
This will take us back to the day when Ohio State had 200 football scholarships and not sure how many basketball scholarships. So many players setting on the bench and never seeing action - buy, WOW, they’re on the team! Some limit there since Title IX is a factor as Mills says above. 200 would tilt top much. Not to worry those P4 schools can afford to subsidize the women. |
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 7, 2023 19:26:35 GMT -6
Would not have to cut women's programs. It's probably OK to have more women on scholarship under Title IX...the balance can be a rough balance and depends on a formula that is not just equal numbers. FB has always had a bit of a priority as it is calculated. Yeah, but why wouldn't you cut women's sports if you could ... if the goal is to put more money into the men's basketball program. From a financial standpoint anyway. I'm aware of all the non-financial arguments to fund women's sports |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 7, 2023 19:43:15 GMT -6
Would not have to cut women's programs. It's probably OK to have more women on scholarship under Title IX...the balance can be a rough balance and depends on a formula that is not just equal numbers. FB has always had a bit of a priority as it is calculated. Yeah, but why wouldn't you cut women's sports if you could ... if the goal is to put more money into the men's basketball program. From a financial standpoint anyway. I'm aware of all the non-financial arguments to fund women's sports From a pure financial standpoint, yes. But the problem with FB is not just the money pit aspect. Downsizing would help reduce that aspect, slow it down at least and free resources for other programs. Without controlling and curbing that escalating cost, it bleeds all programs dry for schools like BSU. I can see good use of those scholarships elsewhere, not just producing saving for improving BB. I may disagree with kid that all savings go there. I'd give it more than any other program, and hope to leverage it in increased giving and revenue. The only place we have much chance of that. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 7, 2023 20:19:38 GMT -6
Ive never said we can pay for it. Ive agreed everytime when someones said its unsustainable. Only thing Im saying is we are not leaving the mac till the mac as we know it is gone. Some say drop to fcs well That costs 5 to 10 million a year we pay 7. We would have to drop to Naia level to truely save money. Spend another 1 or two million to get to top of MAC or MVC your still in a one bid league. You want get out of that lump Then your going to have to spend 5-8 million to be a bottom dweller in a league that will never accept us to begin with
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 7, 2023 20:51:26 GMT -6
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