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Post by villagepub on Nov 30, 2023 11:24:57 GMT -6
How stupid do you think we are?... We check this board every day, soooo..... |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 30, 2023 11:26:28 GMT -6
you guys are totally missing that Mitchell is merely dancing way around BSU lacking financial resources to truly commit to a top notch football program. That's all he can do today. I'm convinced he absolutely wanted to make a change, his hands were just freaking tied. He alluded to the buyout, said it "wasn't necessarily a factor," meaning, it was totally a factor. He threw that out there for a reason. So, he plays up all the nice, touchy feely factors that make Mike a reasonable option RIGHT NOW. Mitchell is playing the long game. BSU won't buy him out this year, just won't and can't, so he's doing the only thing he can do and that's throw some lipstick on the pig until he can actually make a move. If Mike doesn't win at least 7 next year he'll be gone. I don't think Mitchell is interested in 6-6. Definitely not 5 wins or less. He might accept 6-6 if our offense is actually dynamic and can put up big points and we also win a bowl. Would be harder to justify removing Mike in that case. But then you get into, will he really want to extend Mike, because after next season there are only two options, remove him or extend him. Cannot have him a lame duck the following year. If we win 7 plus a bowl next year you have to hope that'll be closer to the norm going forward. But in no way shape or form can Mitchell bad mouth Mike's program when he's pretty much forced to keep him. All the platitudes were not lies. They were legit observations. I'm betting that in a private, off the record conversation you'd hear a different tune, but it's not reality to have him say anything other than what he did based on there being no chance of a buyout this year. Read between the lines-- Mitchell made it clear he wants better results, including needing to be better on offense and more wins, and he dangled the "can't afford the buyout" to let us know his hands are tied. Politics, people, gotta play em until you hold the better hand.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 30, 2023 11:31:44 GMT -6
"The culture in the locker room was really strong." Too bad we don't play the games in the locker room. Im not backing anyone but you guys gotta understand there was no option here. There was no money to do anything else. So he has to spin what he has to make BSU look as good as possible. Thats his job and he would be failing if he said. Listen I have no money or he would have been fired, we sucked and thats unfortunate. We are relatively smart and do not fall into the average fan category we know truths, we have more info, we are better connected than 99.9% of anyone reading that article. Its all a sell he needs money so he has to prop up the positives and try to sell that |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 30, 2023 11:32:42 GMT -6
you guys are totally missing that Mitchell is merely dancing way around BSU lacking financial resources to truly commit to a top notch football program. That's all he can do today. I'm convinced he absolutely wanted to make a change, his hands were just freaking tied. He alluded to the buyout, said it "wasn't necessarily a factor," meaning, it was totally a factor. He threw that out there for a reason. So, he plays up all the nice, touchy feely factors that make Mike a reasonable option RIGHT NOW. Mitchell is playing the long game. BSU won't buy him out this year, just won't and can't, so he's doing the only thing he can do and that's throw some lipstick on the pig until he can actually make a move. If Mike doesn't win at least 7 next year he'll be gone. I don't think Mitchell is interested in 6-6. Definitely not 5 wins or less. He might accept 6-6 if our offense is actually dynamic and can put up big points and we also win a bowl. Would be harder to justify removing Mike in that case. But then you get into, will he really want to extend Mike, because after next season there are only two options, remove him or extend him. Cannot have him a lame duck the following year. If we win 7 plus a bowl next year you have to hope that'll be closer to the norm going forward. But in no way shape or form can Mitchell bad mouth Mike's program when he's pretty much forced to keep him. All the platitudes were not lies. They were legit observations. I'm betting that in a private, off the record conversation you'd hear a different tune, but it's not reality to have him say anything other than what he did based on there being no chance of a buyout this year. Read between the lines-- Mitchell made it clear he wants better results, including needing to be better on offense and more wins, and he dangled the "can't afford the buyout" to let us know his hands are tied. Politics, people, gotta play em until you hold the better hand. Yo stay the fuck out of my mind Dr Xavier |
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Post by villagepub on Nov 30, 2023 11:34:18 GMT -6
Vandy's coach is probably in his final year in 24 barring a miracle. So no surprise with Joey getting the ax. Agree no more Lynches on the Neu staff & Coach Neu is in same situation as Vandy's coach in 24. Gotta fill their renovated stadium ($300M) somehow. 2-10 won't do it. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 30, 2023 12:32:36 GMT -6
"The culture in the locker room was really strong." Too bad we don't play the games in the locker room. I think he was referring to a few Renoir and Da Vinci prints on the walls and a couple of tasteful Roman statue reproductions. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 30, 2023 12:42:39 GMT -6
"The culture in the locker room was really strong." Too bad we don't play the games in the locker room. Im not backing anyone but you guys gotta understand there was no option here. There was no money to do anything else. So he has to spin what he has to make BSU look as good as possible. Thats his job and he would be failing if he said. Listen I have no money or he would have been fired, we sucked and thats unfortunate. We are relatively smart and do not fall into the average fan category we know truths, we have more info, we are better connected than 99.9% of anyone reading that article. Its all a sell he needs money so he has to prop up the positives and try to sell that Yet if we had finished 7-5 we would have found a way to go to a money-losing bowl game. They CAN buy him out, it's just not their top priority. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 30, 2023 12:54:17 GMT -6
Im not backing anyone but you guys gotta understand there was no option here. There was no money to do anything else. So he has to spin what he has to make BSU look as good as possible. Thats his job and he would be failing if he said. Listen I have no money or he would have been fired, we sucked and thats unfortunate. We are relatively smart and do not fall into the average fan category we know truths, we have more info, we are better connected than 99.9% of anyone reading that article. Its all a sell he needs money so he has to prop up the positives and try to sell that Yet if we had finished 7-5 we would have found a way to go to a money-losing bowl game. They CAN buy him out, it's just not their top priority. Donors much more likely to open check books for a chance to hob nob at a bowl game than pay a buy out |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 30, 2023 13:46:32 GMT -6
Im not backing anyone but you guys gotta understand there was no option... We are relatively smart and do not fall into the average fan category we know truths, we have more info, we are better connected than 99.9% of anyone reading that article. Its all a sell he needs money so he has to prop up the positives and try to sell that Yet if we had finished 7-5 we would have found a way to go to a money-losing bowl game. They CAN buy him out, it's just not their top priority. Sure, they CAN gut other programs. They CAN with Presidents approval take MORE student fees and gut other students activities. Why would that be the priority here? Unless you know HOW in any other way they pay two FB coaches for two years, let us know. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 30, 2023 13:49:59 GMT -6
Vandy's coach is probably in his final year in 24 barring a miracle. So no surprise with Joey getting the ax. Agree no more Lynches on the Neu staff & Coach Neu is in same situation as Vandy's coach in 24. Gotta fill their renovated stadium ($300M) somehow. 2-10 won't do it. At Vandy not a lot more. Just can't be embarrassing. They do have some big money. FB is not a big priority but 2-10 won't do. |
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Post by chirprising on Nov 30, 2023 13:56:15 GMT -6
Mitchell just proves with his critique that his powers of observation are insufficient for the position he was given. I’m glad that Neu has built this great culture and that the players have the utmost respect for him. That makes all the losing so much more acceptable and even makes me feel bad for not being more acceptable that a losing culture should be embraced and appreciated. I'll say again: whenever Mike's coaching days are over, he needs to enter politics. Truly. Completely agree with Mitchell on the schedule but we made a conscious decision on getting checks rather than bowl eligibility. On the other hand, I do not accept the idea implied in Mitchell's critique that you can't have a strong culture and a winning culture at the same time. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 30, 2023 15:00:30 GMT -6
Yet if we had finished 7-5 we would have found a way to go to a money-losing bowl game. They CAN buy him out, it's just not their top priority. Sure, they CAN gut other programs. They CAN with Presidents approval take MORE student fees and gut other students activities. Why would that be the priority here? Unless you know HOW in any other way they pay two FB coaches for two years, let us know. So "gutting other programs and student activities" is somehow more palatable when you're going to a LITERALLY meaningless bowl game in Nowhere, Alabama? A bowl that will cost you as much as the coach's yearly salary? What's the difference? You're still taking money from somewhere else. It's just that one is to congratulate a mediocre season, and one is to try to improve beyond a bad season (and bad head coaching record in general). Nobody want to look at the big picture, or think long-term. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 30, 2023 15:17:15 GMT -6
Sure, they CAN gut other programs. They CAN with Presidents approval take MORE student fees and gut other students activities. Why would that be the priority here? Unless you know HOW in any other way they pay two FB coaches for two years, let us know. So "gutting other programs and student activities" is somehow more palatable when you're going to a LITERALLY meaningless bowl game in Nowhere, Alabama? A bowl that will cost you as much as the coach's yearly salary? What's the difference? You're still taking money from somewhere else. It's just that one is to congratulate a mediocre season, and one is to try to improve beyond a bad season (and bad head coaching record in general). Nobody want to look at the big picture, or think long- I'm not a big fan of those bowls. But. Buyout costs 2 mil they don't have, can't raise. A hypothetical bowl game is a lot less and apparently they believe pays or partially pays for itself in publicity. |
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 30, 2023 19:36:57 GMT -6
Sure, they CAN gut other programs. They CAN with Presidents approval take MORE student fees and gut other students activities. Why would that be the priority here? Unless you know HOW in any other way they pay two FB coaches for two years, let us know. So "gutting other programs and student activities" is somehow more palatable when you're going to a LITERALLY meaningless bowl game in Nowhere, Alabama? A bowl that will cost you as much as the coach's yearly salary? What's the difference? You're still taking money from somewhere else. It's just that one is to congratulate a mediocre season, and one is to try to improve beyond a bad season (and bad head coaching record in general). Nobody want to look at the big picture, or think long-term. That's why football at our level just needs to die....and quickly...like as in 10 years ago... |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 30, 2023 20:23:30 GMT -6
So "gutting other programs and student activities" is somehow more palatable when you're going to a LITERALLY meaningless bowl game in Nowhere, Alabama? A bowl that will cost you as much as the coach's yearly salary? What's the difference? You're still taking money from somewhere else. It's just that one is to congratulate a mediocre season, and one is to try to improve beyond a bad season (and bad head coaching record in general). Nobody want to look at the big picture, or think long-term. That's why football at our level just needs to die....and quickly...like as in 10 years ago... FBS, yes. FB at our level can survive in a radically different form.
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