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Post by rmcalhoun on May 14, 2024 19:13:45 GMT -6
But your forgetting Zeke dont call me rex chapman...
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 14, 2024 20:15:50 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2024 5:59:20 GMT -6
Players are going to confront reality.
At some point we'll see them have to choose a school that just doesn't pay what the player wants. That's what happens in any market...
There are budgets and of course some players are just wrong about their market value.
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Post by cardfan on May 15, 2024 6:08:43 GMT -6
The market will reset itself. Especially after coaches are continually getting burned by million dollar players who bail for the next pot of gold after 1 season and the big winning just doesn't happen because it's all mercenaries now and who cares about winning? Few of these guys are picking their next school because of school or anything remotely close to education. There will have to be compromise from players and coaches alike to make this mess a little more reasonable.
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Post by coastalcard on May 15, 2024 7:37:06 GMT -6
I wonder how many of the 6 year players in this covid/portal era will actually end up with a college degree compared to previous eras....
Other than the short term cash, only 60 players get a shot at the NBA
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Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2024 9:46:09 GMT -6
I wonder how many of the 6 year players in this covid/portal era will actually end up with a college degree compared to previous eras.... Other than the short term cash, only 60 players get a shot at the NBA I'm basically for the short term cash supplement for the majority of players. Not so much for the players headed to the NBA. The reality may be the P4 is a pro league. But even there they need limitations, call it a salary cap, a "rookie" pay scale. This will otherwise destroy college sport. It very soon will destroy the cash cow if the NCAA tourney. The days of BSU fighting in the Great 8 are already long gone ... A modest amount of parity is preserved in the pros.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 15, 2024 11:58:38 GMT -6
The market will reset itself. Especially after coaches are continually getting burned by million dollar players who bail for the next pot of gold after 1 season and the big winning just doesn't happen because it's all mercenaries now and who cares about winning? Few of these guys are picking their next school because of school or anything remotely close to education. There will have to be compromise from players and coaches alike to make this mess a little more reasonable. Is this what we have witnessed about college coaches all these years? Since they have always been paid mercenaries, they never cared about winning? Is this what we witness in the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, Indy 500, Kentucky Derby, The Masters, the Premier League. Nobody cares about winning in any of those because they are paid mercenaries? I always sort of felt like people in those activities seemed to be trying to win. But that's just me.
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Post by cardfan on May 15, 2024 12:11:58 GMT -6
The market will reset itself. Especially after coaches are continually getting burned by million dollar players who bail for the next pot of gold after 1 season and the big winning just doesn't happen because it's all mercenaries now and who cares about winning? Few of these guys are picking their next school because of school or anything remotely close to education. There will have to be compromise from players and coaches alike to make this mess a little more reasonable. Is this what we have witnessed about college coaches all these years? Since they have always been paid mercenaries, they never cared about winning? Is this what we witness in the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, Indy 500, Kentucky Derby, The Masters, the Premier League. Nobody cares about winning in any of those because they are paid mercenaries? I always sort of felt like people in those activities seemed to be trying to win. But that's just me. Now Sherm, I’m talking very specifically about players who are school hopping multiple times chasing the money. im skeptical that winning is primary for that category of players. Did two of our defections select Incarnate Word for all the winning? And the majority of players you mentioned in the sports you mentioned typically sign multi year contracts with specific teams. Other than one season rent a players. College athletes are becoming 1 season rent a players who aren’t bound by a contract and some of those guys are on their 4th schools because there’s no longer a rule saying they can’t do that. It’s about business decisions now more so than “I picked this program because they win and I want to win.” It’s why you see high level players leaving a place like Duke, where all they do is win, for other places that are more unstable, because money.
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Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2024 12:24:27 GMT -6
Coaches for 99% of the coaching jobs are hired not as short term EEs and are concerned with a career in coaching, longer term, not simply cashing in short run.
There is much different market there. Including long term commitment. Market salary based at least partly on program building, alumni interaction, compatibility with institutional goals, not just short term results.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 15, 2024 12:31:12 GMT -6
Coaches for 99% of the coaching jobs are hired not as short term EEs and are concerned with a career in coaching, longer term, not simply cashing in short run. There is much different market there. Including long term commitment. Market salary based at least partly on program building, alumni interaction, compatibility with institutional goals, not just short term results. The ONLY thing that keeps coaches from jumping upwards for more money after a year is that such opportunities usually require more than a one year track record to earn. How often do you hear of a coach passing up the offer of a bigger payday at a higher level school? Basically never. Coaches, who have always been pretty well paid (sometimes obscenely well paid) and who have always shown a strong tendency to move upwards at any opportunity, should definitely STFU about players chasing money.
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Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2024 13:00:11 GMT -6
Sherm, you're missing the point.
It's a different market and coaches moving up for higher salary is not threatening the sport. Or changing it much. They have to care about winning long term.
Your argument actually supports cardfans point, and mine.
That may not be any moral superiority, it's a market that rewards longer term results as you yourself say.
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Post by cardfan on May 15, 2024 13:12:25 GMT -6
Coaches HAVE to care about winning if they want to last a long time as head coaches. (except at BSU, where we reward losing....) The players I'm talking about now don't have to give a whit (pun intended) about winning because they're getting paid and then moving on to the next payday regardless of team results. How else do guys in BAD MAC programs get to leave for money after a losing season or multiple losing seasons.) A coach is not going to continue to get that next payday if he isn't all about winning.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 15, 2024 13:28:44 GMT -6
In my experience, people who are competitive want to win whatever contest they are in, whether they are paid or not. And people who aren't competitive don't get very far in athletics...probably never to the point of D1 basketball.
I would even venture to guess that the players who transfer are, on average, MORE competitive. Reason being that being competitive makes you better and the better players have more opportunity to move up. I don't insist on that logic, but I suspect it's true.
Also I think it's bullshit that players getting some thousands ruins the sport whereas as coaches making hundreds of thousands or millions was just fine.
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Post by 00hmh on May 15, 2024 17:06:01 GMT -6
Sure, college athletes are all competitive.
Nobody is saying the players transferring are not.
But is that their motive to transfer? It does appear some may indeed want to move to play in higher competition. Money not that important. Maybe.
cardfan and I aren't going to argue that either.
It is however clear many are not moving to compete at any different level, or moving for more PT, or for different development opportunity, or any other competitive motive. Many are moving where the significant difference is just money.
I don't blame them in most cases. In some, it just isn't good for college basketball.
Your logic that these players must in fact be more competitive is specious.
Being competive helps make a player at any given ability level better, but none of these million dollar players are more competitive than Taylor Persons. He would be in the NBA if your theory correct.
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Post by nazcard on May 15, 2024 21:12:05 GMT -6
Verbal Commits shows Middleton has committed to Delaware.
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