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Post by ballstfan on Apr 16, 2024 16:56:47 GMT -6
Also had offers from Bradley and Wright State. Kid can play.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 16, 2024 17:00:07 GMT -6
In some years I’d take Garner in a heartbeat but right now we need kids who can play immediately at our level. Unless we luck into 4 star high school kid we can’t afford to take more who won’t play much next year. We aren’t deep enough for that.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2024 17:26:03 GMT -6
In some years I’d take Garner in a heartbeat but right now we need kids who can play immediately at our level. Unless we luck into 4 star high school kid we can’t afford to take more who won’t play much next year. We aren’t deep enough for that. Deep up front. Sparks, Ben, Doughty, Jones, Pearson. One freshman forward. Not much PT for that kid this year. After we sign two good guards, and a wing player, all with prospects of playing right away, then maybe consider a HS player with high upside. We've got two centers and forward graduating. Big guys are hard to get in the portal so maybe then. Right now we need ball handling and shooting, perimeter D. |
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Post by prestonp on Apr 16, 2024 18:13:23 GMT -6
Does this portal period end May 1?
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 16, 2024 18:19:15 GMT -6
In some years I’d take Garner in a heartbeat but right now we need kids who can play immediately at our level. Unless we luck into 4 star high school kid we can’t afford to take more who won’t play much next year. We aren’t deep enough for that. Deep up front. Sparks, Ben, Doughty, Jones, Pearson. One freshman forward. Not much PT for that kid this year. After we sign two good guards, and a wing player, all with prospects of playing right away, then maybe consider a HS player with high upside. We've got two centers and forward graduating. Big guys are hard to get in the portal so maybe then. Right now we need ball handling and shooting, perimeter D. If he's good Garner likely will be available again ... for the right price. |
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 16, 2024 18:19:31 GMT -6
Does this portal period end May 1? I believe that is correct. Or at least that is the last day players can enter the portal. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 16, 2024 18:24:28 GMT -6
Does this portal period end May 1? I believe that is correct. Or at least that is the last day players can enter the portal. Except for graduates with a year left? That was story with Coleman I think. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 18, 2024 14:15:41 GMT -6
IUPUI landing solid recruits. F’ing Lewis sitting on the sidelines. This program is in shambles Comparing IUPUI, with Keenan Garner and the D2 transfers, so far I kind of like our results "sitting on the sidelines." 3 more scholarships to go with two signed, Sparks and Hart committed. |
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 18, 2024 14:51:51 GMT -6
IUPUI landing solid recruits. F’ing Lewis sitting on the sidelines. This program is in shambles Comparing IUPUI, with Keenan Garner and the D2 transfers, so far I kind of like our results "sitting on the sidelines." 3 more scholarships to go with two signed, Sparks and Hart committed. Sorry, IUPUI transfers not impressive. They are just UIndy level players. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 18, 2024 20:38:02 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 18, 2024 20:55:09 GMT -6
Generally true. Not quite so much at our level. We'll have bench players who don't demand much NIL, which is what we'll afford. Experience will count for something. |
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Post by bsutrack on Apr 19, 2024 9:20:42 GMT -6
Generally true. Not quite so much at our level. We'll have bench players who don't demand much NIL, which is what we'll afford. Experience will count for something. I disagree; it's even more true at our level. Our recruiting needs to target the good high school player who isn't great enough to play immediately at the Power 5 level. Need to convince him playing his first year or two at Ball State will pay off in greater NIL in his sophomore, junior, or even senior years at a Power 5 school. Watching the final 4 games for Purdue, I couldn't help but think which of those 5 or 6 underclassmen sitting on their bench would have been better served playing this year at BSU instead of watching from the bench at Purdue. Sure the experience of the final 4 was nice, but it probably didn't enhance their NIL payout much for next year. Like the guy says on the video: "you need to find a place you can go play as fast as your can." "If you do play your trajectory is going to be straight up, if you don't play the fall down is going to be hard on your ego and your pocket." Translation: your future NIL payout is going down the toilet if you make the mistake of going to somewhere you don't play. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 19, 2024 10:01:43 GMT -6
Generally true. Not quite so much at our level. We'll have bench players who don't demand much NIL, which is what we'll afford. Experience will count for something. I disagree; it's even more true at our level. Our recruiting needs to target the good high school player who isn't great enough to play immediately at the Power 5 level. Need to convince him playing his first year or two at Ball State will pay off in greater NIL in his sophomore, junior, or even senior years at a Power 5 school. I get that.
My focus is on the NIL budget where it is true we can economize with freshmen, but any way you cut it we will have players who just don't ever demand much NIL. I say some of that investment should be to develop a core of role players.
Those bench players at Purdue? They got their chance this year to play, but also likely improved as much as they would playing for us. Game play is a fraction of the equation in development. Also made some good NIL.
I've been arguing all along we need to recruit HS players. That has a flip side where some will not do so well or improve rapidly as to command big NIL elsewhere. I'm happy with that, it might mean we get good but not great play for more time. We're so short of NIL it means we have little choice but to recruit players whose ceiling is somewhat lower, who may end up "only" a reliable role player for us.
Continuity and experience still has value. Putting together a totally new team every year has costs. That so many coaches now move up and take players with them isn't just because those players were good players at a lower level, but that they are know quantities, even if not necessarily great players at the next level up.
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Post by CallingBS on Apr 20, 2024 7:16:17 GMT -6
Generally true. Not quite so much at our level. We'll have bench players who don't demand much NIL, which is what we'll afford. Experience will count for something. I disagree; it's even more true at our level. Our recruiting needs to target the good high school player who isn't great enough to play immediately at the Power 5 level. Need to convince him playing his first year or two at Ball State will pay off in greater NIL in his sophomore, junior, or even senior years at a Power 5 school. Watching the final 4 games for Purdue, I couldn't help but think which of those 5 or 6 underclassmen sitting on their bench would have been better served playing this year at BSU instead of watching from the bench at Purdue. Sure the experience of the final 4 was nice, but it probably didn't enhance their NIL payout much for next year. Like the guy says on the video: "you need to find a place you can go play as fast as your can." "If you do play your trajectory is going to be straight up, if you don't play the fall down is going to be hard on your ego and your pocket." Translation: your future NIL payout is going down the toilet if you make the mistake of going to somewhere you don't play. 100% dead on, you are (says Yoda) |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 20, 2024 8:10:19 GMT -6
I disagree; it's even more true at our level. Our recruiting needs to target the good high school player who isn't great enough to play immediately at the Power 5 level. Need to convince him playing his first year or two at Ball State will pay off in greater NIL in his sophomore, junior, or even senior years at a Power 5 school. Watching the final 4 games for Purdue, I couldn't help but think which of those 5 or 6 underclassmen sitting on their bench would have been better served playing this year at BSU instead of watching from the bench at Purdue. Sure the experience of the final 4 was nice, but it probably didn't enhance their NIL payout much for next year. Like the guy says on the video: "you need to find a place you can go play as fast as your can." "If you do play your trajectory is going to be straight up, if you don't play the fall down is going to be hard on your ego and your pocket." Translation: your future NIL payout is going down the toilet if you make the mistake of going to somewhere you don't play. 100% dead on, you are (says Yoda) We've always recruited players with upside to play higher level. Lost most of them, some like Hart we see later. I think the Purdue guys on the bench are doing better in NIL than if they had come to BSU and played a lot. With graduation a couple now get starters minutes at Purdue. Hart was in a place he was going to be recruited over every year. Took a shot. Sparks did same thing. Looking at BSU recruiting we should do a little better with those HS players because of the portal. We'll need to recruit good HS players for the new 1 and done, 2 and done world, and can offer PT. Some we'll lose, maybe 2 years we get. Some will just not break out but be solid MAC players we can keep. A few will not play much and search for PT,but no big NIL for them...maybe they're just role players at our level and hang around? |
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