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Nov 24, 2022 18:50:31 GMT -6
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 24, 2022 18:50:31 GMT -6
Go for it Rob! I’m here so I’ll do my best to work the refs and rally us to a win! Just livestream it for us from your phone. |
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Nov 24, 2022 17:44:25 GMT -6
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 24, 2022 17:44:25 GMT -6
So who’s buying and sharing the password I was checking the EMU message board and after their disastrous tourney some of them were regretting purchasing the streaming. Gave me second thoughts. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 24, 2022 10:59:57 GMT -6
This is a master class in parsing a message to re-direct a conversation which you did quite literally, editing out my last message where I clearly said what I think is really going on and how it should be addressed. I edited your post to show you exactly what I was responding to. I think the only fair way to discuss is to be clear. In your world, one should come to this forum and name names, otherwise the information is invalid but others who have little birdies in the program aren't asked to do the same. That's not true. I have no problems with unnamed sources providing a variety of information. But when you're going to accuse someone of something serious (e.g. racism that at least one poster has said should result in Neu's firing if true), then that's bullshit. If you came on here and said you heard Kelly had played great in practice all year we would not be having this conversation. And your response confirms EXACTLY why the players are reluctant to say anything-the conversation gets focused on you rather than what you are experiencing. The only way to fix the problem is to address it. Whenever anyone accuses anyone of anything, the credibility of the accuser is a valid consideration. If they don't want to have that microscope on them, that's fine, they can choose their course of action. If you were accused of a crime and your accuser was not a credible person, you'd probably want to point that out. I never called Neu racist or attacked him personally. (I think he is a good man whose stubbornness and unwillingness to change has cost us.) I did say there are more than a few players who are absolutely feeling they are being treated differently. In either event, that concern should be addressed so it doesn't fester. And it is Neu's responsibility to do so. To spare myself more selective editing and deflection that's my final comment on this. I will admit that I did think you used the word "racism," but going back through the quotes I see that was cardman. Glad you decided to stop talking about this, wish it was by admitting that you shouldn't have done it in the first place rather than because you got called on it, but whatever. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 22:50:36 GMT -6
Pre-season the espn prediction for this game had Vermont the heavy favorite. Their mounting losses have moved this game to about 50/50.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 20:10:07 GMT -6
As for other comments about this being fraudulent, wild conjecture, put up or shut up and baseless claims, tell that to the players who are certainly feeling it's none of those things. That's exactly what not to do. Since they are living it, I'm not inclined to tell them it's all in their imagination. Those comments aren't directed at the players, they're directed at you. I'm not saying whatever you were told was in whoever told it to you's imagination, because I have no idea who said what. If a player wants to make a statement I'd be super interested in what they had to say. If it was credible I'd want to see it thoroughly investigated. If it was substantiated by the investigation I'd want to see appropriate remedial action. You're the one on here claiming vague things that unnamed people are telling you. So you, chirprising, put up or shut up. At best you are airing the dirty laundry of players who apparently aren't willing to say these things publicly, and at worst you are maligning the character of our head coach. Edit: I will add that I hesitated for a while before posting this. I don’t enjoy calling anyone out or making anything personal. Which is why I reacted strongly. Those are personal allegations against Neu. I hope we can let this issue fade away. |
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Nov 23, 2022 16:43:18 GMT -6
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 16:43:18 GMT -6
I’m talking 30 to stream the games Went to site to watch the game, it says 29/month to stream through this service. If someone on here has signed up for this, my question is, Can you pay for just one month? I have not signed up, but when I looked at it I think I saw a “cancel any time” bullet point. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 16:40:35 GMT -6
Be very honest here...let's say Paddock was African American, would you think he would have been allowed and continued to play in 12 games despite the less than acceptable performance.
Despite what you see on courtroom dramas on TV, it is generally objectionable for a lawyer to remind a witness that he is under oath, because it implies that the lawyer knows the witness is lying. That's how I interpret your "be very honest here." The two choices as you frame them are 1) agree with you; or 2) be dishonest.
There's also an error in reasoning based Paddock playing despite less than acceptable performance. Whether Paddock's performance was acceptable isn't really the issue. The issue is whether Paddock's performance was the best available option. A couple of weeks ago I was arguing that there was nothing to indicate that Paddock wasn't the best option. Now that we've got actual evidence, I'm confounded by what appears to be very strong evidence that Kelly is a better option. Despite my bewilderment on how Neu made his decisions, if you're going to allege racism you need more than wild conjecture and unnamed sources.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 15:02:43 GMT -6
I don’t know. I mean this is Neu’s livelihood. I think he’d have to be super racist to keep an all star on the bench at the expense of his own stock as a coach. And if he was racist I dont know how he’d get black players to come here and buy in. You said Kelly loves it here and doesnt want to transfer. That doesnt sound like racism to me. I also think racism is a hell of a charge to make. Chirprising ought to give some direct evidence. Put up or shut up. I think it’s through more of the lens of “guys like Paddock can make loss inducing mistakes over and over and I/we can’t even get the first chance.” Doesnt make it racist. But it does make it very personal. Which is why I want direct evidence. Neu’s decision making being incomprehensible doesnt help matters. But to allege such a repugnant motive without backing up with concrete support is vile. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 14:57:38 GMT -6
Quick question: anyone seen the final player stats? From what I have heard during the broadcast, Kelly had like 51 yards in three plays? I'd say that is a hell of a productive player stat. Take out the fact that Kelly is African America out of the equation and you still get factual data that he did very well, despite having a short leash limiting him to mostly running plays. Yes, he was the best play caller last night. Please chime in to correct me if I am wrong on this. 1/1 passing for 23 yards (longest of the game) and something like 8 rushes for 83 yards. Kelly killed it last night in the very limited opportunity he was given. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 14:46:51 GMT -6
I’d hate to think race is somehow involved but if you look at it with out blinders on you can make the argument I don’t know. I mean this is Neu’s livelihood. I think he’d have to be super racist to keep an all star on the bench at the expense of his own stock as a coach. And if he was racist I dont know how he’d get black players to come here and buy in. You said Kelly loves it here and doesnt want to transfer. That doesnt sound like racism to me. I also think racism is a hell of a charge to make. Chirprising ought to give some direct evidence. Put up or shut up. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 23, 2022 14:42:50 GMT -6
The program is effed by Neus paranoia and lack of trust of his players and staff. I really believe that. I think he wants to be right rather than victorious and therefore he’s not gonna let Kelly show him up about sticking with paddock. I think Mike is that thin skinned and shallow. Yeah I’m pissed at him today. A lot. I no longer trust him. That’s why I’m so curious why Kelly played yesterday though. It put Neu in a no-win position personally. Either Kelly plays well and we’re all scratching our heads, or he plays poorly and we’re all wondering scratching our heads. I don’t know anything about paranoia, but if he was concerned about Kelly showing him up I dont think Kelly would have seen the field. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 22, 2022 22:17:06 GMT -6
Did Neu have to wait his turn as a player? Wonder if he’s got a soft spot for the guy who waits his turn based on his own experience. He played early. Then I am at a loss. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 22, 2022 22:14:06 GMT -6
Did Neu have to wait his turn as a player? Wonder if he’s got a soft spot for the guy who waits his turn based on his own experience.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 22, 2022 22:06:33 GMT -6
With the portal, what gives you guys the idea that we even keep Steele let alone QB Kelly? Could be right about both but at least we have some intriguing options at QB still even if Kelly goes. I sure hope he stays though, I was very impressed with his brief appearances tonight. Unless Neu says “I was wrong about you and the starting spot next year is yours to lose” I think Kelly is gone. Might be gone either way. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 22, 2022 22:04:56 GMT -6
The prevailing sentiment in the pre-season poll was that we would win 4 or 5 games. That number was predicated on having a young team that was a year away. We actually had better than 4/5 win talent this year and the coaching staff decisions held them back from a better season Yeah I feel like we were a bad team that outperformed, but should have outperformed even more than we did. I dont think I have ever seen a coach as bad with a 4th quarter lead than Neu. And I think I’m one of the few here that still likes Neu. Maybe I will look it up tomorrow, but I want to know this: when we have the lead to start the 4th quarter, what percentage of games have we extended that lead? |
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