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Mar 15, 2019 16:46:42 GMT -6
Post by hejustdidthat on Mar 15, 2019 16:46:42 GMT -6
Last three years. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Very true but please tell me how you think we would have been better without him The only game in Cleveland when he was not a factor...due to not being physically present...we won?
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Post by cardfan on Mar 15, 2019 17:07:08 GMT -6
Very true but please tell me how you think we would have been better without him The only game in Cleveland when he was not a factor...due to not being physically present...we won? So you’re basing Person’s worth on one game?
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Mar 15, 2019 17:19:59 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Mar 15, 2019 17:19:59 GMT -6
The idea that we would have lost a lot more games without Persons is so well founded that it is about as close to a certainty as a hypothetical can be. So are you saying when a player hits the last second shot to win....we would have lost if he wasn't playing? Don't try to put words in my mouth. If I wanted to say that, I would say that. That's your rather obvious way of trying to reduce my sensible argument to something stupid. If you want to have a debate, bring up some facts, otherwise spare me the cheap tactics and fuck off.
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Mar 15, 2019 17:27:19 GMT -6
Post by hejustdidthat on Mar 15, 2019 17:27:19 GMT -6
The only game in Cleveland when he was not a factor...due to not being physically present...we won? So you’re basing Person’s worth on one game? No. I'm basing it on the 99 games he played that resulted in a 56% win rate.
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Mar 15, 2019 17:30:10 GMT -6
Post by hejustdidthat on Mar 15, 2019 17:30:10 GMT -6
So are you saying when a player hits the last second shot to win....we would have lost if he wasn't playing? Don't try to put words in my mouth. If I wanted to say that, I would say that. That's your rather obvious way of trying to reduce my sensible argument to something stupid. If you want to have a debate, bring up some facts, otherwise spare me the cheap tactics and fuck off. Not trying to put words in your mouth. Just trying to clarify your one sentence "argument". As for the expletives...I'll refrain.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 15, 2019 17:33:05 GMT -6
So you’re basing Person’s worth on one game? No. I'm basing it on the 99 games he played that resulted in a 56% win rate. And what would that win rate have been if we don’t have him? And given that it’s 99 games, how do you pinpoint him as the reason the win rate wasn’t higher?
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Mar 15, 2019 17:36:36 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Mar 15, 2019 17:36:36 GMT -6
Did Persons bang your girlfriend....or what?
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Mar 15, 2019 17:41:25 GMT -6
Post by hejustdidthat on Mar 15, 2019 17:41:25 GMT -6
No. I'm basing it on the 99 games he played that resulted in a 56% win rate. And what would that win rate have been if we don’t have him? And given that it’s 99 games, how do you pinpoint him as the reason the win rate wasn’t higher? I am not saying the win rate would have been higher...I don't have that crystal ball. Just believe that a 56% win rate over three years is nothing to hang your hat on. He was not the ONLY player on these teams...though often times it seemed so. Shooting as many shots as you average...an asst/TO ratio that is even....is not as impressive to me as it is you evidently.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 15, 2019 17:44:30 GMT -6
And what would that win rate have been if we don’t have him? And given that it’s 99 games, how do you pinpoint him as the reason the win rate wasn’t higher? I am not saying the win rate would have been higher...I don't have that crystal ball. Just believe that a 56% win rate over three years is nothing to hang your hat on. He was not the ONLY player on these teams...though often times it seemed so. Shooting as many shots as you average...an asst/TO ratio that is even....is not as impressive to me as it is you evidently. I actually don’t totally disagree with you and called out those particular issues all 3 years.
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Mar 15, 2019 17:44:52 GMT -6
Post by hejustdidthat on Mar 15, 2019 17:44:52 GMT -6
Did Persons bang your girlfriend....or what? Really? No. He banged the girl on that site your watching with your best friend in your hand.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 15, 2019 18:22:39 GMT -6
And what would that win rate have been if we don’t have him? And given that it’s 99 games, how do you pinpoint him as the reason the win rate wasn’t higher? I am not saying the win rate would have been higher...I don't have that crystal ball. Just believe that a 56% win rate over three years is nothing to hang your hat on. He was not the ONLY player on these teams...though often times it seemed so. Shooting as many shots as you average...an asst/TO ratio that is even....is not as impressive to me as it is you evidently. TP did more good things for us than not. Yes, he could play amok at times but given he was virtually the only player Whitford has recruited with any balls or some moxie, I think some of his erratic play and turnovers can be attributed to that. He was equal parts “Yeah Baby!” and Oh Hell No!” Glad we had him because we woulda been sub .500 without him.
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Mar 15, 2019 19:18:12 GMT -6
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Post by reevo on Mar 15, 2019 19:18:12 GMT -6
And what would that win rate have been if we don’t have him? And given that it’s 99 games, how do you pinpoint him as the reason the win rate wasn’t higher? I am not saying the win rate would have been higher...I don't have that crystal ball. Just believe that a 56% win rate over three years is nothing to hang your hat on. He was not the ONLY player on these teams...though often times it seemed so. Shooting as many shots as you average...an asst/TO ratio that is even....is not as impressive to me as it is you evidently. What I would say is we did a piss poor job of surrounding our one consistent player with guys like him. Don’t know what you are trying to prove here but without Person’s, this team is beyond horse poop. The kid was our only consistent scorer and had to have the ball in his hands a majority of the time for us to be competitive. The offense is a joke with players that don’t fit. We did not have a true post player nor do we have consistent shooters from the wing that can knock down shots. Bottom line is he was our best player and if we would have done a better job of finding kids like him mentally and physically, we would not have been one game under 500.
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Mar 15, 2019 19:39:46 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:39:46 GMT -6
I do believe that the root of this year’s problems are with not being able to determine how to use Persons. Point guard or not? What was his role? Whit let him decide game by game. The end result is that we weren’t able to utilize our best basketball assets (Teague/Walton) because we didn’t know how to structure an offense to get them the ball. If Tayler went off the rails, Whit didn’t try to re-direct him. The buck stops with Whitford, not one individual player.
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Mar 15, 2019 20:30:43 GMT -6
Post by redfeather on Mar 15, 2019 20:30:43 GMT -6
Ok guys is Whit at point he will bring in even as walk on Parker Hazen? His JC stats were only fair (8.5 ppg & 6.7 rebs IA West) & I suspect he will have tough time getting scholarship offers at a D1. He is no different player than his brother to me but if Teague moves late we may need a stretch for a body. you think I Teague is gone after this year? That would be a brutal blow. Yes!! I said this is a post a few days ago, I think he's outta there and will be looking for a team where he can be on a winning team that can go somewhere. I also think Gunn might go also but only because he believes he's a whole lot better in his own head than what he truly is and wants to be "the guy" on a team where he's the center of attention. I could be wrong on both but as I said we'll see.
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Mar 15, 2019 20:36:45 GMT -6
Post by redfeather on Mar 15, 2019 20:36:45 GMT -6
This is THE question of the off season, isn't it? Does anyone have a good grasp of how the timing of these things usually plays out? Is there a date beyond which Whitford can breath easy?
We should know on Teague in the next couple of weeks. I think there is also a reasonable possibility Gunn goes elsewhere. Sweep, Sorry saw this comment after I posted my comments basically saying the same thing though I did say it earlier a few days ago.
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