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Post by cardsfan606 on Oct 24, 2017 8:32:43 GMT -6
Big thing for me is how good akron, Kent, and Ohio are this year. Buffalo and western should both be really good.
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Post by cardsfan606 on Oct 24, 2017 8:55:22 GMT -6
Out of the six top teams in the conference Kent State is the only team in the conference that arguably has more size than us😂😂😂😂
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2017 9:00:30 GMT -6
FWIW, preseason kenpom BSU: 139 Dayton: 103 Oklahoma: 21 Stony Brook: 197 Oregon: 35 Bucknell: 75 Indiana St.: 203 IUPUI: 218 Notre Dame: 22 Valpo: 131 North Florida: 295 Jackson St.: 323 Florida A&M: 333 The ones that got away: Tennessee and Derrick Walker: 43; TCU: 14 Oklahoma is 21 because top to bottom the Big 12 is the best conference in the country. They are way over ranked in this computer model, BSU should be competitive in this game. Overrated I buy. Whether we can go on the road and make a game of it early on, I'm not so sure. Hope you are right. Projected here to be top half of B12Have a really good freshman coming in. This game, Oregon, and ND have to be treated as money games where if we play really well, we can hang in there, not that we "should" do so, but it's a good sign if we do. Chance to raise power ratings if we do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 9:08:39 GMT -6
I really think the road game at Bucknell will be a harbinger of things to come with the better MAC teams. They aren't great but they are solid and well coached. I think Oklahoma could be a TOP 100 team at seasons end if their Freshman are able to contribute.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 24, 2017 9:10:32 GMT -6
We need to win at least one of @dayton, @oklahoma, @oregon, @bucknell, and @nd.
We have 5 chances to beat a decent team on the road. If we can't do that I'm not expecting us to win in Cleveland. And since winning in Cleveland is really the only bar I measure the team by, I will be disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 9:31:29 GMT -6
We need to win at least one of @dayton, @oklahoma, @oregon, @bucknell, and @nd. We have 5 chances to beat a decent team on the road. If we can't do that I'm not expecting us to win in Cleveland. And since winning in Cleveland is really the only bar I measure the team by, I will be disappointed. I think we need to win at least two and probably three of those games to have a decent RPI at seasons end. ND is the only Top 25ish team on that list.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2017 9:36:24 GMT -6
We need to win at least one of @dayton, @oklahoma, @oregon, @bucknell, and @nd. We have 5 chances to beat a decent team on the road. If we can't do that I'm not expecting us to win in Cleveland. And since winning in Cleveland is really the only bar I measure the team by, I will be disappointed. This is early, I wouldn't say much about prospects in Cleveland if we won some of these games. Dayton, Bucknell are games where we expect to be competitive. Going to Cleveland with a chip on your shoulder and a late season hot streak has been a big part of the formula for the last two MAC champs, and especially making Akron play tough games the night before maybe.... Doing well there seems to depend on a better draw. This year looks especially hard to guess with no standout favorite and a number of teams who could upset anybody else in an early game. I doubt I'll be trying to pick winners,unless overcome with joy that we have played well all season. That of course is the BSU curse of being a sure bet to lose in postseason.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2017 9:44:18 GMT -6
We need to win at least one of @dayton, @oklahoma, @oregon, @bucknell, and @nd. We have 5 chances to beat a decent team on the road. If we can't do that I'm not expecting us to win in Cleveland. And since winning in Cleveland is really the only bar I measure the team by, I will be disappointed. I think we need to win at least two and probably three of those games to have a decent RPI at seasons end. ND is the only Top 25ish team on that list. No doubt it would contribute to RPI, but let's be real, losing games hurts RPI, with a good opponent it hurts less, but beating a mediocre team is better than losing to a good one, which is the pretty likely case in at least 3 of the games. RPI screws us almost whatever we do except run up a string of big upsets before conference. Even if we play well, the likely result will be we narrowly lose and suffer in RPI. Losing to Dayton and Bucknell, will hurt more than is fair since they will be on the road, and likely not to have that good an RPI themselves. All of these games could help with Sagarin and other power ratings where home advantage and margin of victory could make all of them a plus even if we lose. That is where we screwed the pooch pretty badly last year narrowly winning games that were against weak competition, and squandering home court advantage a few times.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 24, 2017 9:54:17 GMT -6
We need to win at least one of @dayton, @oklahoma, @oregon, @bucknell, and @nd. We have 5 chances to beat a decent team on the road. If we can't do that I'm not expecting us to win in Cleveland. And since winning in Cleveland is really the only bar I measure the team by, I will be disappointed. This is early, I wouldn't say much about prospects in Cleveland if we won some of these games. Dayton, Bucknell are games where we expect to be competitive. Going to Cleveland with a chip on your shoulder and a late season hot streak has been a big part of the formula for the last two MAC champs, and especially making Akron play tough games the night before maybe.... Doing well there seems to depend on a better draw. This year looks especially hard to guess with no standout favorite and a number of teams who could upset anybody else in an early game. I doubt I'll be trying to pick winners,unless overcome with joy that we have played well all season. That of course is the BSU curse of being a sure bet to lose in postseason. All I'm saying is it will impact my expectations. If we go 0-5 in our big road non-conference games, games where we have an opportunity to make a statement and make people notice us, I'm not going to expect us to go win 3 straight in tough conditions in Cleveland. In Cleveland we'll almost certainly be facing road-game conditions and we'll be playing the best/hottest teams. If we win 2-3 out of those 5 non-conf. games and come in to Cleveland with a top 4 seed I'll be expecting to go dancing. That's early too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 10:06:03 GMT -6
I think we need to win at least two and probably three of those games to have a decent RPI at seasons end. ND is the only Top 25ish team on that list. No doubt it would contribute to RPI, but let's be real, losing games hurts RPI, with a good opponent it hurts less, but beating a mediocre team is better than losing to a good one, which is the pretty likely case in at least 3 of the games. RPI screws us almost whatever we do except run up a string of big upsets before conference. Even if we play well, the likely result will be we narrowly lose and suffer in RPI. Losing to Dayton and Bucknell, will hurt more than is fair since they will be on the road, and likely not to have that good an RPI themselves. All of these games could help with Sagarin and other power ratings where home advantage and margin of victory could make all of them a plus even if we lose. That is where we screwed the pooch pretty badly last year narrowly winning games that were against weak competition, and squandering home court advantage a few times. I think Bucknell will easily have an RPI in the Top 100 this season. In fact they will probably be higher than any MAC team.
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Post by realitycheck on Oct 24, 2017 10:17:35 GMT -6
So many unknowns this year. Persons is the one true difference maker, All MAC type player on our roster. After that, you've got Moses, Kiapway, and Sellers who are solid, experienced MAC-caliber guys but not really players who will typically change a game-plan or beat you consistently. Tyler & Teague are athletic but very mercurial. Jeremie has never fulfilled his potential and has missed so many games. Not a great defender either. Teague is intriguing I just don't know what to expect from him. He's so unorthodox just hard to predict what he can become. Mallers looks like a role player to me.
As far as the newbs, who knows. Walker and El Amin look like athletes, just don't know what to expect. Gunn looks to be the star-in-waiting but I never trust freshmen except for a rare handful we've had in the distant past. Huggins will be badly overmatched I feel.
All that said, I'll go with 18 wins.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2017 10:35:43 GMT -6
I think Bucknell will easily have an RPI in the Top 100 this season. In fact they will probably be higher than any MAC team. I agree. While we gain less by beating them and losing to them is not even as good as losing to the 3 better rated schools, at least we have a chance to win...we gain by this strength opponent and actually have a chance to win. Scheduling more moderate strength schools and avoiding bottom feeders seems to me better than power schools for RPI. If we play well we always gain in power rating though.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2017 10:43:09 GMT -6
So many unknowns this year. Persons is the one true difference maker, All MAC type player on our roster. After that, you've got .............All that said, I'll go with 18 wins. Well said. Persons is so important because he provides that personality. Teague can be really good, even this year. Much more talent, but not yet showing the competitiveness. The seniors, especially either Sellers and Tyler MIGHT have a breakout outstanding year, but I'd be happy with solid play and good leadership, providing what Franko did. Francis has some of that fire, seems less likely to want to take over, though. Moses has to be more consistent, star performance not very important if he is getting the dirty work done. Freshmen may have to play an important, but not likely to be more than depth.
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Post by thebsukid on Oct 24, 2017 12:24:32 GMT -6
We have a lot of good shooters and people that will play a lot capable of double figures on any given night...
I look for Tyler, and Teague to lead the team in scoring with several bunched up closely behind them like Sellers, Moses, Kipaway, Persons and possibly even a breakthrough scorer like Gunn or El Amin.
This team could be one of the most prolific scoring teams in BSU history.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 12:30:49 GMT -6
We have a lot of good shooters and people that will play a lot capable of double figures on any given night... I look for Tyler, and Teague to lead the team in scoring with several bunched up closely behind them like Sellers, Moses, Kipaway, Persons and possibly even a breakthrough scorer like Gunn or El Amin. This team could be one of the most prolific scoring teams in BSU history. If Tyler and Teague are the leading scorers it's going to be a long long season.
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