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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 20, 2018 19:08:25 GMT -6
Just curious- isn't it pretty clear even by just watching this preseason game how dumb it is to spend a high first round pick on a interior o lineman?
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2018 6:37:56 GMT -6
How many games until the TV people get tired of showing the Nelson "highlights". Probably not many. They are too obviously of minor consequence. Nelson prevents one particular defender from ruining the play...and not even one of the opponents most dangerous defenders. Yawn. It's somewhat amusing to see how the announcers try to hype these clips up. Meanwhile, the colts have one decent player at the vital position of OT (who is injured) and a defense completely devoid of disruptive impact players. What is the "keep Luck upright" crowd going to say when the colt OT's allow the Jaguars' edge rushers 25 sacks?
Luck is going to have to play at all-world level to win as many as 8 games. |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2018 7:55:20 GMT -6
Which rookie draftee would have let the Colts win more?
I know your aversion to team building, but I doubt the Colts expected more than 8 games and are looking beyond this year as they play younger defenders and rebuild from a disaster on all fronts last year.
The idea is both pass protection and building a running game to take away the opponent being able to rush the passer on more downs. The idea that a good middle of the line helps protect the passer on passing downs and you can have fewer long passing downs seems tome a damned good idea when no matter how well Luck plays this year it's not this years wins but having him around to win more games later.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2018 9:25:36 GMT -6
"The idea that a good middle of the line helps protect the passer on passing downs and you can have fewer long passing downs seems tome a damned good idea"
This is like saying that putting better quality tires on your car is a "damned good idea" when your car's engine and transmission are both falling apart, and you have a limited budget.
A complete idiot can understand that having a good middle of the line is good. It takes more near average intelligence to understand the relative importance of different parts of a football team's roster.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 21, 2018 9:37:36 GMT -6
General, you started earlier by suggesting Luck may not be able to pass, right?
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2018 10:39:44 GMT -6
Yes, in fact, he wasn't able to pass an NFL football until....when....sometime in June, which was very concerning. Why do you ask?
In fairness, I should mention one huge factor in Nelson's defense. Apparently he acts like a dick during practice scrimmages. I'm given to understand that this is an enormously positive factor, and has been mentioned numerous times as justification for his pick. It's only fair to mention that. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 21, 2018 11:23:46 GMT -6
In fairness, I should mention one huge factor in Nelson's defense. Apparently he acts like a dick during practice scrimmages. I'm given to understand that this is an enormously positive factor, and has been mentioned numerous times as justification for his pick. It's only fair to mention that. So would you say it's a... dick pick? |
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 21, 2018 13:49:36 GMT -6
Well, General, I think your position was that Luck would never become even an average NFL quarterback again??
I believe thats clearly wrong and after the Preseason he would likely be ranked in the top 5.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 21, 2018 14:38:22 GMT -6
Well, General, I think your position was that Luck would never become even an average NFL quarterback again?? I believe thats clearly wrong and after the Preseason he would likely be ranked in the top 5. On what bong-hit do you base this assertion? Luck has been ok, not great by any measure. His QB Rating is just over 50, good enough for 99th best in the league. He's got a lot of ground to make up. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2018 14:44:42 GMT -6
Well, General, I think your position was that Luck would never become even an average NFL quarterback again?? I believe thats clearly wrong and after the Preseason he would likely be ranked in the top 5.
Your memory sucks and you probably shouldn't be relying on it...it makes you look like an idiot. Go back to page 3 of this thread and read what I actually wrote. Then come back and apologize for misrepresenting me.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2018 15:37:25 GMT -6
Well, General, I think your position was that Luck would never become even an average NFL quarterback again?? I believe thats clearly wrong and after the Preseason he would likely be ranked in the top 5. On what bong-hit do you base this assertion? Luck has been ok, not great by any measure. His QB Rating is just over 50, good enough for 99th best in the league. He's got a lot of ground to make up. He hasn't proven himself as back. But, I would pay all that much attention to the preseason QB rating, he's been progressing, performing well enough in practice to be optimistic he will solid. Don't know about top 5, though... |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 21, 2018 15:47:25 GMT -6
Just curious- isn't it pretty clear even by just watching this preseason game how dumb it is to spend a high first round pick on a interior o lineman? None of your arguments seem to back your earlier statement very well. The preseason tribulations of Luck, and the lack of pass protection when their LT is injured, and for that matter this year's won-loss record would all be clear enough by watching a preseason game. That is true. But how this pick fits in the rebuild is important and I would say the jury will be out on that for a couple of years.
Can't judge the matter by this game for sure.
BTW, what pick do you think would have solved all the Colts' problems any better? I'm no curmudgeon and no guru, but the gurus seem to be giving the Colts pretty good marks for the pick, and I understand you disagree and are probably bent out of shape to see how much disagreement there is about your initial opinion.
You are just basically repeating your opinion (possibly one that will not look very astute in a couple years), not showing anybody else to be "dumb" by doing that.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 21, 2018 16:11:48 GMT -6
Here is what you said in one of your rants:
" I think the odds are a good bit less than 50/50 that he will play at an above-average-NFL-QB level this coming season. I think the odds are no better than even money that he will ever have a season like 2014 or 2016 again. "
So, okay, lets analyze what you said....its less than 50-50% he will be above average this season...to me your saying doubtful...and no better than even money he ever have as good as his best season...fair?
I'd say that sounds like a Doubting Thomas regarding Luck's prospects...I say you'd lose both bets!
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2018 16:33:15 GMT -6
No. What you need to say is "oh I see now that I completely misrepresented what you said. Sorry about that"
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 21, 2018 16:40:20 GMT -6
You know, I think we could have found a tackle or cornerback that would be a dick towards his teammates in scrimmages. As important as that is, I still think it could have been accomplished without spending 2 of the top 3 picks on guards
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