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Post by cardfan on Aug 21, 2018 16:41:19 GMT -6
Luck ain’t even close to top 10, let alone top 5. Long way to go. And he’s gotta quit throwing really dumb interceptions.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 21, 2018 18:58:11 GMT -6
I believe he will be in the top 5 by mid season form if his young line gives him time!
Go Colts
Unlike you General, I will say possibly I misread and therefore misrepresented to some degree your post, however I do not believe I misrepresented the real intent that Luck will essentially never be the same, fair?
And to that I’ll simply say let’s revisit after a couple of more seasons
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 22, 2018 7:31:17 GMT -6
My original quote discusses Luck's future in terms of multiple possibilities and probabilities. I think it's very clear and simple to people capable of thinking this way. You, on the other hand, seem to need everything reduced to a simple will/won't. This may be how you can consistently talk yourself into such ridiculous positions. You misunderstand and reduce all the alternative positions to something as simplistic and ridiculous as your own, and therefore they don't seem any better to you.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2018 8:19:32 GMT -6
As soon as the press jumps on board, I am slightly moved to General's position, but I am still not buying his argument that watching one game preseason is clear evidence either way...so I think he has a way to go on his position on the draft. And the value of the pick is something we have to come back to in a year or two.
Hey, an argument with Kid on ad hominem grounds may score points on the message board, but this debate is really not about Andrew Luck this preseason, which seems to be where General has been running to avoid recanting his rash initial statement.
So, I am still waiting for that logical and probabilistic analysis which shows so clearly as he asserts that there was some obviously better draft pick.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 22, 2018 9:34:43 GMT -6
"It was quickly easy to realize why the Colts took the former Notre Dame star at No. 6 overall. The first offensive lineman taken in the April draft has been the starting left guard since the first time he took the practice field during offseason workouts."
Ok, that made me laugh. If you can't find a starter for a 4-win team with the 6th overall pick .....well….let's just say that would be some really, really poor drafting. Historically poor. Mike Wells will occasionally convey some interesting information just due to the access he has, but he adds very little value, or no value, himself. I don't think he's a particularly intelligent person.
In order to name the better choice that the Colts should have picked, I would need to analyze the group of draft-eligible players and I don't have the time. But I don't need to do that to know that an offensive guard is not the best pick. I just have to know something about the relative value of football positions and something about the Colts' roster....which I do.
By the way, when my posts get misrepresented here, the gloves come off. I have no patience for that. It's a particularly bad idea for those whose quality of posts make them a human punching bag. |
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 22, 2018 12:36:56 GMT -6
My rationale is so crazy and my thought process so ridiculous thats how I've directed two $6 billion companies to record sales and profits...no comparison no need too.
You believe what you want to believe...I fine with that...but I was man enough to say that I may have misread somewhat your initial statement, but of course you are right on every point and never to be questioned....because you are a General!
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 22, 2018 13:34:04 GMT -6
Whatever. Only, if you're going to allege that I said this or that, just look up the quote first and get it right. if you're having difficulty grasping the concepts covered, leave it alone. Otherwise prepare for abuse, ridicule and insults.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 22, 2018 16:34:48 GMT -6
Whatever!
Couldn’t really respond coherently in my view.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 25, 2018 18:05:04 GMT -6
The colts roster plainly shows the effects of first round busts, one particularly idiotic trade, and...yes...burning multiple high picks on interior o line. The playmakers at key positions we should have are simply not here....they are elsewhere
It's all up to Luck
Luck gets hurt- 3 wins
Luck plays like average qb- 5 wins
Luck plays more or less like pre-injury - 7 wins
Luck has best qb season in NFL history- wild card spot
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 25, 2018 18:08:51 GMT -6
Need tackles. Need wr's. Need an rb. Need cb's. Need pass rushers
Other than that....we're good to go
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 26, 2018 15:31:02 GMT -6
I believe this team goes 9-7!
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 26, 2018 16:27:15 GMT -6
Kid, can't buy that on current performance. Best case, if all injured return, if Luck is near 100%, GM pulls out a useful acquisition or two at cuts, makes a trade for a missing piece, and if rookies mature rapidly it would still be difficult. Longer term, there is room for optimism since they have a big war chest under cap, and have players who are young and should improve over next few years.
General, I think Luck is critical to good performance, but your projections putting all on Luck are both pessimistic, and ignore other things that could improve the team even if Luck is not all-world. And their back-up QB with everything else going well might produce more than 3 wins.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 26, 2018 16:44:44 GMT -6
Maybe 5 wins.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 26, 2018 18:26:25 GMT -6
Good season for Luck, a few other good things I'd guess 7 wins. 8 wins a great season this year. Bad luck, so to speak, probably 4 or 5.
Call it 6.5 over/under. Lots of unknowns and of course Colts could crash and burn...can never rule it out.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 26, 2018 20:00:34 GMT -6
Brissett was lucky to win 4 last year. Two very close wins at home against the worst teams in the league, a win against a team who had just lost their QB, and a meaningless final game win against a team that probably wasn't even trying to win. Brissett has no passing touch to speak of. Anyway, if the colts got a trade offer of any good value of all for Brissett, they should take it, because if Luck goes down again the colts should just dig up Curtis Painter because draft position is all that matters at that point
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