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Post by cardfan on Mar 9, 2018 13:30:23 GMT -6
EXCUSES!!! What will they be next year? Just stop.
There were absolutely games this year, last year, and the year before where we LOOKED like we didn't care. I'm not talking about the tourney game. CMU just last week. The first half vs. NIU. The first game vs BG last year. And quit being so completely literal. Several of us on here have posted about the times our play LOOKED like we didn't care. It HAS happned. It's not always fatigue. It's not always simply lack of effort. Sometimes we DO play as if we do not care about that particular game.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 9, 2018 13:30:39 GMT -6
Akron didn't make the semi finals. Eastern beat them 67-58. Correct, my fault as I thought they were a sure thing being up 20 points with only about 12 minutes to go in the second half. Guess Groce isn't God's gift to MAC basketball coaching after all. I would still take him over Whitford if we could afford him. In his first tournament game at Akron he tied what Whit has accomplished in 5 years. Actually probably beat what Whit accomplished because he won on the road and overcame a huge deficit to do it, Whit's only win was neutral site. I want Whit to succeed, but I'm tired of waiting for it.
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Post by bsu0 on Mar 9, 2018 18:28:25 GMT -6
Thanks to our AD For-A-Day that granted Whit an undeserved extension we are stuck with him unless the Almighty himself steps in and grants a miracle.
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 9, 2018 18:42:03 GMT -6
Very disappointed with our finish to lose 4 in a row!
I think Cardfan or someone said it we were out of gas regardless of who you want to blame.
There is really only one answer get rid of D1 football and move down like Butler and take most of the football budget to build a real bb program!
Football supporters don’t like it but we will never be able to compete year end and year out in football but the possibilities are much better to build a steady bb program.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 22:37:22 GMT -6
If we drop division 1 football my interest in Ball State athletics will be gone forever.
Please don't make these asinine statements. Our incompetent athletic department may listen.
We do not need to discontinue Division 1 football to have a good basketball program.
We just need a coach that is worth a shit.
Period...
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Post by thebsukid on Mar 9, 2018 22:54:37 GMT -6
I don’t think dropping football D1 is crazy at all! We have been mediocre in both and we don’t have enough money to be strong in both!
You can call it whatever you like but others have done it successfully
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 23:02:14 GMT -6
I enjoy playing at major programs like Notre Dame which is coming up this year.
My friends that join me for those games, and bowl games, enjoy being in a relevant game that actually means something. We know 90% of the time we are going to get shalacked, but we enjoy the ambiance at the major stadiums.
Every once in awhile we show up and win...like Virginia a few years ago. And we shut that damn city down that night after the W.....good times.
I have no desire to have our big exposure games to be against William and Mary and other BS teams in lower divisions.
Have you ever been to a Ball U game vs the SEC...great times.
Those who strive for mediocrity will be mediocre.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 10, 2018 4:55:14 GMT -6
We are a mid major.
I support our football, enjoy it too. But, can't see holding out football as a model for excellence. Playing and usually getting postered in SEC stadiums is an odd standard to set to avoid mediocre. When have we ever played a really significant football game? How often anyway?
C'mon, losing at the end of the season in a bad bowl game, winning one even, is surely "mediocre" in some sense isn't it?
Kid's suggestion actually does make some sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 7:31:25 GMT -6
I am okay with dumping football, let's face the fact a side benefit would be a campus free of 30 or so complete ass clowns every year. The issue is you still need competent leadership even with a drastically increased budget. You could have handed Jo Ann Gora and Hollis Hughes $10 million a year and they still would have screwed it up.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 10, 2018 8:08:53 GMT -6
Give Cardinnc a little credit. He is much more up front than most that his reason for continuing to take $10 million of taxpayer and student money every year is so that he and a small group of his friends can continue to enjoy their chosen pastime. That's actually the same reason most football supporters have, but few admit it.
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Post by bsu0 on Mar 10, 2018 8:29:23 GMT -6
What guarantee do you have that the money saved by dropping football to D-2 will be channeled into basketball? The BOT might use the cash to dig more useless holes under our classrooms in a vain attempt to warm and cool them! How much money would be saved by dropping the D-1 program? The General seems to know these figures. The powers that be need to take a hard look at EVERY position in the Athletic Department now that the present AD is leaving (coaches included). I get the feeling that there are too many Athletic Dept. employees that just CYA. There is a lack of new ideas. I say hire an young dynamic AD with an iron clad contract (so he can't jump jobs like the imposter from ND)and start from scratch. We need new blood, new ideas, and new butts in many of the chairs in the athletic offices. Turn the place upside down, shake hard, get rid of the waste, then look toward the future. What do we have to lose?
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Post by sag on Mar 10, 2018 8:30:17 GMT -6
Life sucks and throws you curveballs all of the time. No one knows this better than my family after losing our 17 year old 3 years ago. You know what, it sucks and still sucks but I ended having the best year at work I ever had and 2 consecutive great years financially because I sucked it up. Did not use my boys loss as an excuse but buried myself into my work. Sorry for your devastating loss, Reevo.
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Post by bsutony on Mar 10, 2018 8:40:40 GMT -6
Very disappointed with our finish to lose 4 in a row! I think Cardfan or someone said it we were out of gas regardless of who you want to blame. There is really only one answer get rid of D1 football and move down like Butler and take most of the football budget to build a real bb program! Football supporters don’t like it but we will never be able to compete year end and year out in football but the possibilities are much better to build a steady bb program. This again? Let's not do this. It's comical that people think dropping the football program will automatically help basketball.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 10, 2018 8:45:20 GMT -6
Give Cardinnc a little credit. He is much more up front than most that his reason for continuing to take $10 million of taxpayer and student money every year is so that he and a small group of his friends can continue to enjoy their chosen pastime. That's actually the same reason most football supporters have, but few admit it. The real argument to presidents is that they are afraid to drop or downsize first while their rivals do not. Nuclear arms race logic applies. Value of football other than providing traditional college atmosphere and entertainment to current students, and to promote diversity and bring hard working athletes to campus which might influence students in a positive way is good will with alumni. It is viewed as worth it for PR and providing events to draw alumni back to campus and so on. The argument is it keeps the institutions name in media where even the casual sports fan sees their alma mater mentioned and might have a recollection of college days gone by. There is a widespread view that the FBS football program is big time, and university presidents rarely consider completely dropping football if they are ever on the FBS track. Being frugal and downsizing to the next level down doesn't save a lot in some ways, but it's significant.
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Post by david75bsu on Mar 10, 2018 8:49:46 GMT -6
Very disappointed with our finish to lose 4 in a row! I think Cardfan or someone said it we were out of gas regardless of who you want to blame. There is really only one answer get rid of D1 football and move down like Butler and take most of the football budget to build a real bb program! Football supporters don’t like it but we will never be able to compete year end and year out in football but the possibilities are much better to build a steady bb program. I agree totally with this point. I have said it numerous times over the pat few years. I have been offered seats in one of the suites for the ND game, not sure I want to be there when ND could probably name the score. Football has dropped like a rock and in my opinion Neu will not get Ball State football back to reaspectibility in the MAC - and the MAC has dropped off the face of the earth in the football world! I put this year at a 6-6.5. The loss of Hollywood and two good MAC guards was hard for Ball State to manage through. Mallers improvement was good to see, but he had to play out of position to help this team through changes. Ups and downs hard to take, but without dept it was to be expected. Can judge Whit’s first two years as we had dropped so far. His past three have even OK, but needs to finish. Hopefully next year will be different, if not it may be time for a change.
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