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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 10, 2018 13:09:24 GMT -6
Random tweet I found funny
It's quite possible that Kevin Ollie, despite winning a National Championship, was the worst college coach in history. From First to ranked somewhere between Wagner and Ball State even after cheating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 13:52:52 GMT -6
Oh yeah football athletes are always influencing other students in a positive way. The biggest issue with dropping football is conference affiliation which has ramifications other than athletics. Yes, that is a major argument and I didn't mention it. I completely agree that is the argument for the MAC. And dropping football and finding a good conference are part of the same problem. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the MAC allowed members to drop football but remain a member. I really think half the schools would do it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 13:55:03 GMT -6
MY GOD! Put down the sharp object NOW!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 13:56:34 GMT -6
"It has been proven that playing the power 5 schools and having a bit of success dramatically increases student enrollment applications."
Really? Well then, since every MAC school loses millions every year, year after year, to fund their football programs, I'm sure you can point out at least one example, in all those years, for all those hundreds of millions of dollars, where this actually happened. Since it's been...you know...proven and all.
Show us the numbers. Go ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 13:56:50 GMT -6
This again? Let's not do this. It's comical that people think dropping the football program will automatically help basketball. Most understand it's indeed more complicated than this. But it's hard to look around this time of year and see other schools in our same boat reaping the publicity benefits of nationally relevant basketball. Wichita State: State school. No football. Strong for a long time in basketball, period of decline, now a powerhouse again. Strong baseball, largely result of a single coach. Butler: Private school: Dropped scholarship football, rebuilt basketball program from near D-3 existence (their words, not mine) Kicking ass. Wright State: State school, smaller than BSU. No football. Average to good basketball team. Hired away a coach interested in our job, for chrissakes. In NCAA Tournament this year, 2 other bids since we last danced. Xavier: Small private school. No football. Kicks ass. Indiana State: State school, smaller and less-reputed than BSU. Plays FCS football, defeated BSU in last meeting. Middling basketball program, didn't capitalize on big break. 1-2 other bids since we last danced. Gonzaga: Small private school in non-basketball country. No football. Kicks ass. Dayton: Small private school. Plays non-scholarship football at high level. Loyal fanbase. Very consistent to good in basketball. DePaul: WTF?? Yeah you can basically look at the entire Big East conference.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 10, 2018 14:20:15 GMT -6
"It has been proven that playing the power 5 schools and having a bit of success dramatically increases student enrollment applications."
Really? Well then, since every MAC school loses millions every year, year after year, to fund their football programs, I'm sure you can point out at least one example, in all those years, for all those hundreds of millions of dollars, where this actually happened. Since it's been...you know...proven and all.
Hey Sherm, there was an article in sports illustrated not long ago talking about lower division football programs playing Power 5, showing up, competing, and sometimes beating the Power 5 and causing a surge in applications. That's just the latest article on this. This have been stated for awhile now. In other words, you can't name a single case of a MAC school getting any such benefit from the hundreds of millions spent propping up the corpse of football, but you do seem to remember some magazine article saying something sort of like that, some time ago.
Anytime anyone ever mentions a personal experience where football has brought some recognition to BSU, it's always recognition from some random middle-aged man from the South. And it's never explained what tangible benefits BSU could possible derive from this demographic. If Indiana high school students have any interest at all in BSU football, they do an excellent job of hiding it.
I don't see why the money-making schools or the NCAA will ever trouble themselves to do anything to save the MAC from its own stupidity. They aren't paying anything for it. The only time the MAC gets any of that money is when they fill the role of schedule fodder....and then it is presumable a good deal for the money school and the MAC school only receives enough to cover some small fraction of the yearly deficit.
By the way, I am no longer in favor of dropping football in order to put the savings into basketball. BSU basketball has not proven it deserves, or would know what to do with, one additional dime of funding. I'd put the money back into the pockets of the students and taxpayers....where it belongs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 15:38:41 GMT -6
Google "The Flutie Effect" there are several articles that claim athletic success does increase applications in the short run. The key word of course is success, which Ball State seems to believe is a random event.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 18:25:14 GMT -6
The sports illustrated article was in the last month. Sorry I cant tell you specifically which issue, as I fly a lot and the periodicals are my killing time on a plane. Then I leave them in the seat pocket for the next schmuck that has to deal with mass travel in the air.
The article referenced specific numbers for Mercer and Liberty football. There was another team I can't recall.
Going to the killing fields for big bucks.
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Post by proctorp on Mar 10, 2018 23:56:55 GMT -6
As to the topic, our basketball program is at best mediocre. This season looked a lot like the previous four under Whit. Soft inside game, little to no game adjustments and too many games where we just show up. Our recruiting is seriously suspect and our athletic department moribund in the past with little to no creativity in promoting nor managing a program. The lack of outreach to younger alumni is telling. Most of our season ticket holders are retired and running out of gas.
The football program is a money pit with little to show for its expenses regardless of lame magazine articles or SEC game day experiences.
Sick and tired of the defenders of mediocrity.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Mar 11, 2018 0:09:50 GMT -6
The article referenced specific numbers for Mercer and Liberty football. There was another team I can't recall. Hey, I remember Liberty. They came in, pointed and laughed at us for having Stan Parrish as our coach, then walked out of our stadium with a victory....along with the money we gave them.
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