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Post by 00hmh on Mar 12, 2018 11:26:25 GMT -6
NCAA teams snubbedNotre Dame?They were screwed a little different way. When Rhode Island went down, the story is ND had been in the field. Afterwards somebody had to go, where I am not so completely clear on Rhode Island being so automatic...but this story points out the system also somehow favored Syracuse which ND actually beat, on the road, without their stars. Rhode Island, hell how about St. Bonaventure's at large bid. The story was that Rhode Island's upset forced the committee to change their mind about ND to make room for R.I.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 12, 2018 11:27:55 GMT -6
I know there aren't many damns given about the NIT field this week, but I went ahead and looked and there are no MAC teams among the bids. Word on the street must be our league is willing to pay up for their postseason...
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Post by cardfan on Mar 12, 2018 11:41:23 GMT -6
Emu and cmu have paid to play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:47:49 GMT -6
Miami, OH will pay and play in the CBI.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 12, 2018 12:10:03 GMT -6
I know there aren't many damns given about the NIT field this week, but I went ahead and looked and there are no MAC teams among the bids. Word on the street must be our league is willing to pay up for their postseason... Stron league we have
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 12:17:10 GMT -6
For Christ's Sake, everything is easier said than done. Yet year after year mid majors get at large bids. Must be just luck, despite all the math involved. What ? I there an actual point in this entire mishmash of thoughts. " Or that such decisions are within the control of the school who had a strong team and nimbly changed their scheduling to enhance chances that year. " That's why you try and play a strong OOC every year.
"And no bullet proof argument that somehow the scheduling decisions were the big difference." Yeah scheduling decisions have almost nothing to do with SOS and your resulting power index and RPI rankings. "In the bulk of cases the at large bids are because there are mid major conferences which have two or three (or more) teams strong enough to get 2 bids, partly because that makes their SOS better, but partly in spite conference SOS, the teams are just good enough to overcome it." What ? So you are making an argument teams get in because they do ? Guess that's sort of hard to dispute. " it's not principally because some mid major managed a good schedule. (And won the gamble winning some big game(s), perhaps winning a road game with a 3 pointer at the buzzer) " Might just be the dumbest thing you have ever said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 12:18:33 GMT -6
Rhode Island, hell how about St. Bonaventure's at large bid. The story was that Rhode Island's upset forced the committee to change their mind about ND to make room for R.I. I understand the "story", the point is Rhode Island isn't the worst team to get an at large and there was room for Notre Dame even with that outcome. They just weren't good enough.
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Post by david75bsu on Mar 12, 2018 12:36:18 GMT -6
Why is Toledo staying home? No. 1 seed in west. 23-11. No MAC team in NIT - what the hell! This astounds me, anybody else? I may totally dislike UT, but seems they got screwed (the MAC got screwed).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 12:42:03 GMT -6
The only thing I can think of is that Toledo's best player hurt his knee in the semi's.
And of course the MAC gets NO respect.
Boys, the days of getting in without winning the MAC tourney are over.
At least our #1 seed won the tourney, which has not happened a lot in the last 10 years. And then the NCAA puts them against Arizona. Obviously the NCAA wants the MAC out as soon as possible.
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Post by cbcjanney on Mar 12, 2018 12:54:33 GMT -6
Why is Toledo staying home? No. 1 seed in west. 23-11. No MAC team in NIT - what the hell! This astounds me, anybody else? I may totally dislike UT, but seems they got screwed (the MAC got screwed). Toledo isn't in the top 100 in most rankings (#119 in KenPom) so I don't think you can say they got screwed. I'm sure they would like to think MAC #2 would get into the NIT, but realistically this is no surprise. Given that 11 spots in the NIT were auto-qualifiers who won their conference but not their conference tourney, and another 7-ish were the teams that felt snubbed by the NCAA tourney, there really were only like 14 or so NIT bids in question, the worst team receiving a bid was ranked #98. According to KenPom, 23 other teams should've gotten NIT invites (but didn't) before Toledo would have.... Like BSU, Toledo opted not to participate in CBI/CIT, thus their season is over. Meanwhile on another note, the MAC records the first postseason win of 2018 as Central Michigan wins a noon game at Fort Wayne 94-89.
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Mar 12, 2018 13:05:53 GMT -6
I read somewhere - it may have been the Hustle Belt website - that Toledo was on record saying they would only accept an NIT bid, but not "pay to play" tournaments.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 13:15:49 GMT -6
Why is Toledo staying home? No. 1 seed in west. 23-11. No MAC team in NIT - what the hell! This astounds me, anybody else? I may totally dislike UT, but seems they got screwed (the MAC got screwed). A kenpom of 119 and an rpi of 72 isn't getting an NIT bid. Especially when you have zero meaningful wins and loss by 40 to Kansas.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 12, 2018 13:40:32 GMT -6
Toledo has no case for an NIT bid.
By the way, since I complain about all the stupid things associated with BSU basketball, I should also say that it was a very sensible decision not to fork over the money to play in one of these dreary, third-rate tourneys.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 12, 2018 13:46:35 GMT -6
I know you don't want to admit RPI is biased in favor of SOS and is harmful to the mid majors who have no real choice available to schedule games where they have a chance to win against big schools. They are usually given the "decision" or choice to play in games on the big school home court and are rarely given that choice if they have a good chance to win. "Or that such decisions are within the control of the school who had a strong team and nimbly changed their scheduling to enhance chances that year. " That's why you try and play a strong OOC every year. I believe YOU said St Mary's blew it by not scheduling Rhode Island. My point has always been, you play a good schedule to gain exposure, to prepare the team, and to make money. I agree with playing a schedule strong enough to do that. NOT to play on high major teams home court and lose in a foolish attempt to inflate SOS. It just doesn't help unless you win. And if you are able to win they won't schedule you very often if at all..."And no bullet proof argument that somehow the scheduling decisions were the big difference." Yeah scheduling decisions have almost nothing to do with SOS and your resulting power index and RPI rankings. Hold on, I did not say it made no difference just that mid majors don't really make the decision to play good schools that help them. The big school has to decide to play them. Mid majors have the choice and they can "decide" to play big schools mostly when it is very unlikely to help them and otherwise there is little incentive on the big schools part to play them. How can they decide to play a good schedule when good teams don't want to play them?
"In the bulk of cases the at large bids are because there are mid major conferences which have two or three (or more) teams strong enough to get 2 bids, partly because that makes their SOS better, but rather that in spite conference SOS, the teams are just good enough to overcome it." What ? So you are making an argument teams get in because they do ? Guess that's sort of hard to dispute. NO. They get in because they are good, it has less to do with their schedule decisions which you allege is the a big deal. I say schedule strong OOC is a relatively small influence. Unless you win. But then it's not likely you get the chance to have the games... Although it is true that the good schools do get some chances to play in preseason tournaments and the Phil Knight and may also be attractive opponents for very strong teams to play as a OOC foe. Not that they will usually want that unless they will beat you... So being good may give you a better SOS, but not really help you get good wins. " it's not principally because some mid major managed a good schedule. (And won the gamble winning some big game(s), perhaps winning a road game with a 3 pointer at the buzzer) " Might just be the dumbest thing you have ever said. You really have to explain how getting a good schedule is a clear cut gain. It's hard to get a lot of good games if you are actually a good mid major. If you get them, it's hard to win them on the road, and unless you win none of the quadrant scoring is improved, and there is very little RPI gain unless you win, compared to scheduling mediocre teams, or even sometimes weak ones where you win all your games.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 12, 2018 13:54:49 GMT -6
Meanwhile on another note, the MAC records the first postseason win of 2018 as Central Michigan wins a noon game at Fort Wayne 94-89. A noon weekday tipoff in the War Memorial Coliseum ?! (assuming it was not played on campus IPFW) Holy crap, a game with the 4th place MAC West team must have packed them in to offset FW's postseason outlay! The Komets must have the building tonight. Fort Wayne is hockey town anyway.
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